Please change page titles from "Hacker News | $TITLE" to "$TITLE | Hacker News". Right now, my tab bar shows a pile of orange [Y] icons that all say "Hacker Ne...", which makes them impossible to distinguish. The [Y] icon already tells me the tab points to Hacker News, so an excerpt of the title would help more than the site name.
Showing subdomains on all google domains would be nice.
There are lots of submissions from sites.google.com that seem much more clickable because they end with (google.com). Similarly I'd be more likely to click a link from code.google.com.
When you upvote a comment, if you have authored any parent comment in the the thread, your nick should be listed in the comment metadata ("Upvoted by commenters: tqbf, RiderOfGiraffes").
Upvotes/downvotes send conversational signals that incite responses, whether those responses have intrinsic value or not. So do critiques. Seeing the name of someone who just critiqued your comment in a list of your upvoters might neutralize some pointless flame wars.
To an extent, we already have this feature informally, because "I upvoted you, but..." has become an idiom on HN. I think it'd work better if it was automatic though, and it might incentivize "feel-good" upvotes.
I'd love to click "follow" next to that comment. Then I want my view on hacker news to be heavily weighted by the mods from the people I follow (you could make it a mod on the normal ranking, like a reordering of the top stories). A friend comment view would be even more useful - like the thread view for any user, but collected among friends. A synopsis view of the comments without the full thread and only the first 200 chars of the comment would be easy to digest.
Generally I think the solution to making HN not suck is to let me ignore completely the parts that suck.
I edit posts extensively before submitting, so I frequently see "Unknown or expired link."
This error is a minor tax on carefully worded, carefully considered posts. I've lost posts following this error due to back button/refresh mishaps. I could post, then edit, but then people are voting and replying to content that is changing.
PG recently suggested that just going back recovers the composed comment. However, here's a reasonable sequence of events which, in Firefox, causes unrecoverable loss of a submitted reply:
(1) open the 'reply' link in a new tab
(2) compose the reply
(3) submit, getting the 'unknown of expired link' error
(4) go back -- you still have your comment, but...
(5) hit reload, figuring that will refresh your reply form's fnid validity -- after all, this works when commenting at an article's top level
(6) get the "unknown or expired link" error now on the reload, with no place to go further "back" to, and "forward" just leading to the same error. Your comment is unrecoverably lost.
I'm now in the habit of a textarea "select-all, copy" before ever hitting a submit button at News.YC. Thus, I can reclick a path from a fnid-less URL to a new reply box if necessary. But that's a pretty user-hostile workaround to expect of people.
Also a nice (although minor) feature would be to add a link back to news.yc when the expired link error occurs.
It's not that important but it would be nice not to have to delete the url parameters in order to get back (or find the bookmark again)
What was changed recently in this department ? I know the timeout was increased, but I used to be able to work around the "expired link" message by going back to the "Add Comment" form and refreshing the page. Now this also yields "expired link" and destroys the post text in the process ! I just lost good 30+ minutes of typing, and I ain't going to re-type it, so it is everyone loss .. :)
Please do something about this, it was a minor annoyance before, but now it turned into a pretty major headache.
Also, the 'Preview' button would be very nice to have. I know there's a delay setting, but that's not it. I want an ability to privately preview what I've wrote, before posting anything.
It's embarrassing to make the claim, but I think I have a solution worth trying regarding the display of scores.
1) Revert to showing scores for top level comments. This will allow people to know whether the top-of-page responses are well-liked by the community, and how fast this approval drops off as one scans down the page. It will also privilege top level comments, subtly discouraging people from pinning their answer to the current top-of-page comment when it's not really a reply.
2) Keep hiding scores for replies (as it is now). This seems to be increasing civility, and discouraging quick quips. It might even make sense to discount the points internally, giving yet more emphasis to the top level. This emphasis is important because the top level dictates the overall position on the page (things move as blocks). Hiding the response points will also encourage people to vote up threads as a whole, which helps with the case of useful questions which lead to good answers.
3) Now that top-level is emphasized, add a 'fold' to the page. But instead of basing it on number of comments, cut off at a negative point level. As they currently do, downvoted items will migrate toward the bottom, becoming fainter as they go negative. But rather than eventually displaying a fixed negative number (-4), just put it below the fold and only visible with a 'show all' link. This will discourage trolling and piling on, as once a comment is below the fold it's unlikely to attract many additional viewers. And it will encourage others to 'clean up the page' if they feel their vote will have a clear consequence. Starting to fade at 0 and folding at -4 seems like a good start, but one could also fold earlier or even bring new unvoted comments in mid-fade.
I think this hybridized approach would be easy to try and has advantages over both individual systems. Thanks!
I've noticed that sometimes the domain name shown in parens next to the link is kind of useless. Take, for example, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=449670. "tumblr.com" is not useful in this case, but "titocosta.tumblr.com" would be more helpful--"oh, it's someone's personal blog named Tito Costa." Interestingly, it looks like sometimes you already do show more than just "domain.com", as in http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=449221.
That's been bugging me too, primarily with google.com.
To prevent wasted space you could ignore certain prefixes (www), or you could have a whitelist for hosts to show the prefix for (tumblr.com, google.com, etc).
I noticed a several people suggesting features in other threads, so I'm starting one explicitly for that. I know there's a lot that needs improving; the site is pretty bare-bones at this stage. So propose whatever new features you think we need, and vote for the ones that you want most.
This is more a content issue but to really build the community is have more fully fledged profiles - with location, bio - make it one or two lines max and a website or blog link. If we are what we think/read then it would be a great starting point in finding cofounders or people who are on the same wavelength.
I would also agree on seeing the latest comments - and maybe highlighting posts which you've commented on/ or submitted showing if there were new comments that you haven't read. So show "7 comments | 3 new" so it would be easy to come back to your home page and see how the discussion has evolved.
More important, I think, than displaying the number of new comments is making it possible to /find/ them. The reordering of comments is usually a great thing, but in a relatively involved discussion, it can become quite a chore to find that new comment.
I'm not sure what the best way to implement it would be, from either an algorithmic or HCI standpoint, but it certainly would be nice if you could come up with a way to make new comments stand out in threads. (Preferably with new defined by when the user last viewed the page, rather than being a static global definition.)
I find myself marking up comments of the same 2 or 3 users more often than others. They don't have ultra-high karma or anything- they just are interested in the same articles and discussions I am. It would be nice to learn more about them.
I'd love to be able to see the names of people who have repeatedly upvoted your comments. It'd be a great way of finding people who share the same kind of mindset, enhancing HN as a 'people discovery tool'.
It would also work for 'if you think this person is clever, you might like to read things posted by these others'.
I've noticed that HN users are often thoughtful enough to write short summaries of linked articles in the comments section. For instance
Summary: Wired.com graph shows that while the web continues to grow (in terms of bandwidth consumption), it is not growing as fast as other internet services such as P2P and video and consequently has a lower overall % of traffic than several years ago.
So my suggestion is, add a new HN section called 'Summary' which finds all these comments (which will be recognizable by the 'Summary:' text at the start of the comment) and lists them in one place for quick reading.
Obviously the more people that do it, and know to use the same 'Summary:' convention, the better it will work. Bad summaries will be handled naturally by the downvoting in the original threads.
I think it could be interesting to see the "karma-change tally" (don't know how to call it) on stories, people and comments.
The rationale is that to me, there's quite a difference between a comment that has 1 karma because there was no upvotes/downvotes and one that has 1 karma because there was 20 upvotes and 20 downvotes.
Truncated URLs may be longer than the original URL if they were just left alone.
The URL truncator will append three periods (not a &helip; character) to the end of a URL. In some cases (say for a URL of 62 characters), the last character will be removed and replaced with three periods. This increases the total size of the URL text to 64 characters.
The algorithm appears to be
def truncate(word, postfix = '...')
if ((word + postfix).length > 64)
word = word[0, 64 - postfix.length] + postfix
end
word
end
There doesn't seem to be a need to add the postfix length to the check. This should suffice:
def truncate(word, postfix = '…')
if (word.length > 64)
word = word[0, 64 - postfix.length] + postfix
end
word
end
Justification : When I page down and hit the end of a page of comments, there is no visual cue in the page telling me that I'm at the bottom. Since I think I've gone down a full page, I lose track of where I was reading; which is annoying.
Sidenote:
Why can I commit directly to the github repository? I thought that by clicking edit, I would create a fork and work on that and create a pull request later. Strange. Or is this some kind of open-to-all repository?
Every time someone asks for a search function here, someone answers with http://searchyc.com. This is a perfectly valid answer, but you should rather ask yourselves, why are people constantly asking for that? Because you don't have a "search" link in the HN header, e.g. right next to "new". It'd be fine if it'd just point to searchyc.com.
Please, if it wouldn't be much work, change the mechanism for coloring down voted comments to be via the stylesheet instead of via font tags with color attributes?
Also, there is an oddity in the way comments are organized. They go like this:
font tag that sets the comment color
"first paragraph text NOT in a p tag"
p tag
"second paragraph text"
p tag
"third paragraph text"
...
p tag
font tag that sets the comment color
"final paragraph text"
(Not using actual tags to avoid any quoting problems, and closing tags omitted). This leads to amusing results--for instance if you use a user stylesheet to try to set comment colors, by coloring all the paragraphs under the comment span, it only actually colors the middle paragraphs. The first and last paragraph of each comment are not affected.
If there is no specific reason for this odd layout, fixing it would make the site a little more friendly for those who want to tweak it with user stylesheets. (I'm tweaking the font size, to make it easier to read on my aging eyes).
Make it possible to lose karma by submitting garbage stories, either via downmods or (IMHO the better option) by making submitting a story "cost" a certain number of points of karma (which of course will be regained if the story gets voted up).
Recently I've seen two trends, both of which significantly diminish the value of Hacker News:
1. Some users are flooding Hacker News with submissions (in one case I counted 18 submissions in one day), and even though most of their submissions aren't being voted up, enough submissions are to make them accumulate lots of karma (which I assume is why this is happening).
2. The same stories are being posted many times by different users. I'm sure this is partly the result of #1 -- with the floods of submissions users might not realize that a story was submitted before -- but the fact that there's no "penalty" for useless submissions probably contributes as well.
I like the idea of submitting "costing" karma, but maybe you get a couple freebies a day. Maybe an escalating cost schedule so it penalizes people who submit their 15th story as opposed to their 5th.
Re #2, I always thought there was a unique url filter on submissions, but I've seen a couple repeats recently.
I think there's a unique URL filter on submissions; but not a unique story filter on submissions (which would be a rather difficult AI problem).
Even with different URLs, there's really no need for 10 different stories about the MacBook Air to be posted here -- it would be much better to have one Hacker News item and have URLs to other articles posted in comments.
Down-voting is awkward. Some feel it should be reserved for extraordinary circumstances, others that it's essential for every day curation of the site. Frequently, the person being downvoted does not know what they did wrong. But if all downvoters were to explain their reasons, far too much attention and page space would be spent on poor comments.
Proposal: The downvote arrow takes you to a "confirm" page with a "reason" text box. If you want to downvote you are encouraged (required?) to enter a reason before confirming your vote. This page also shows otherwise hidden comments by other people explaining their downvote.
Advantage: Allows downvoters to explain to the commenter why their comment is being downvoted without cluttering up the main discussion page. Ideally produces a better and more functional community.
To encourage HN users to ship code, allow them to display an icon next to their user name once they have shipped their project. This would work on the honor system. To make the implementation simple, users can self-manage the icon. Perhaps a "ship" icon could be displayed that linked to the product if applicable.
This will help create a culture of "shipping" through a shame/pride/credibility/game achievement effect, as well as help users keep the HN addiction in check.
Note that not everyone on HN is an entrepreneur. As a programmer, I don’t want to feel shamed for not having shipped a product when that isn’t even one of my goals in the first place. If there were such an icon, one of the states would have to be “don’t care” or “unspecified”. I think that should be the default initial state for everybody, but the problem then is whether people will be honest enough to change their icon from “unspecified” to “not shipped” on purpose.
marking a comment up or down should use ajax- especially so browser history is preserved (pressing the back-button to get to the front page). I assume comments can be marked into the negative range for those hopefully rare occasions where it's needed? [please don't test it on me!]. Other than that I love the minimalism.
What about a separate feature requests page for those that already have been accepted and implemented like this one? And maybe another for formal rejections.
I think it can get confusing reading suggestions for features that have been implemented since the request was made for less obvious features than ajax voting. And they're not particularly relevant anymore. Of course I wouldn't simply delete them so a separate page would be a good compromise.
It doesn't even really have to be AJAX. You could solve the problem just by setting up an #anchor so that when the screen reloads after voting, it just the user back to where they left off.
that doesn't solve the problem that I (and I assume others) habitually press the back button when I'm done perusing comments in order to get to the main page. At this point when I press the back button it goes to a slightly older version of the comments page- and various other oddities.
I run into this problem all the time--not good for diminishing by reload-addiction! It would be nice if pages included some js to rewrite history[1] via dom, so that we could always see the freshest versions of pages.
[1] It pains me to advocate breaking the "show me exactly what I was just seeing" semantics of the back button, but I think in this case the user clearly conceives the back button as "show me the abstract resource I was just seeing."
I agree with this suggestion, but for another reason. There have been a few times when I'm writing a reply and I stop to think for a moment. Occasionally, during this pause, I will glance up and notice that I haven't voted the article up yet. Unfortunately, when I do vote the article up, everything I have written up to that point gets cleared. I have tried pressing the back button, but it tends to take me back to where I was before I started writing my comment.
I understand that this is an error on my part, but that doesn't alter how frustrating it can be.
Please make it more clear that the e-mail field in your HN profile isn't publicly visible. Many people ( http://searchyc.com/comments/e-mail+in+my+profile ) leave comments like, "contact me using the e-mail in my profile", not realizing no one else can see that info.
Even better would be a "make public?" checkbox next to it.
The ability for each user to create their own personalized domain blacklist.
E.g., if someone doesn't like techcrunch.com, they can add it to their blacklist, and they will no longer see techcrunch.com stories.
There's maybe a dozen sites (TC isn't one of them) which regularly appear on HN, and which I'd be happy not to see. But I know others don't feel this way about those sites. This seems like a relatively easy way of improving everyone's experience.
to have the title for the site be user-configurable. That could be helpful for people who don't want to display a title of "Hacker News" on a work computer.
My friendly suggestion is that if we must change the name of the site, which I like just fine, it would be helpful to call it "Helpful News," so that all of us who are habituated to calling the site HN could continue doing that without confusion.
Could HN have an opt-in to save your outbound link click history?
I've lost count of the number of times when I've unexpectedly wanted to revisit an article from days/weeks/months ago and have utterly failed to find the site by search/browser history (I visit from mulitple machines), etc. I really don't want to have yet another service to sign in to for saving interesting links - and even if I did - they're not always things that I think I wanted to save at the time.
What I'd like to see is:
- opt in to have links pass through a intermediate step so the outbound step is saved in my profile on HN
- include the URL and the HN piece (comments, etc)
Seems very simple to do, and would make it so much easier to refer friends back to what I've read without having to rely on my poor memory or rigorous bookmarking.
The feature you want already exists. If you look in your profile, you'll see at the bottom a link called "Saved Stories". It's a list of every submission you have up-voted.
Upvote/downvote arrows are too close togheter to comfortably use on phones, especially that the actions are not possible to reverse.
Some UI idea is needed here imo. I like what Reddit is Fun app does: you need to touch the post and then upvote/downvote appear below it next to each other. Unfortunately that wouldn't be natural for desktop/mouse users.
As it is now, downvote rights which just appeared on my account make it that I can no longer upvote anything on mobile, risk of accidently hitting the wrong arrow is just too big.
After submitting a bunch of links, some of them making a front page, I noticed that there is a fairly strong effect of social proof.
People check /newest, see that some post already has 1 or 2 upvotes, check it instead of some without any upvotes (someone upvoted, might be good!). The upvoted one gets even more upvotes (because more people are reading it), and it's on the homepage.
A bunch of my submissions made the homepage and from what I've noticed, the threshold is about 7-10 upvotes in the first hour. So can we fairly say that a dozen of people decide what's on the homepage? Maybe.
While the sample size is really really small, 8 of 9 links I submitted and got more than 4 upvotes, made the front page. But I guess with a greater sample size, the general assumption would still hold true.
The obvious disadvantage of hiding score is that it's harder to tell what is worth attention (especially during peak hours when there is a new submission every minute), but maybe it would help to bring more good content to the front page (as opposed to content that a dozen of people thought is good).
I was wondering if you'd consider adding an opt-in setting that would make users' votes visible to others, both for comments and for submissions. I'm interested in it for a few reasons:
1) I'd like to see what people I respect are voting for, in the hopes of finding things I otherwise would have missed.
2) I'd like to someday make a recommendations system that would work for HN, and starting now to create a corpus of permission-cleared votes would help if I ever get to it.
3) I think it might have a positive effect on social dynamics. While there is in theory greater potential for retaliatory downvotes, I hope that instead people would act more considerately if they felt that others could review their behaviour. I don't see any way to test this other than by trying it out.
I think this option would best be a simple checkbox on each user's settings page: "Make my votes visible to others". The votes would then be visible from a link on that page for others to view. Ideally, it would also be possible to view these from an item-centric viewpoint, accessible from the 'link' page.
If the idea were to catch on, I'd eventually like to see an 'Open' list, parallel to 'Classic', whereby one could view the entire site as it would appear if ordered only by users with their votes set to be visible.
I just noticed the comments link is grey, whether or not you already visited it. Lately, I start by looking at the comments thread in case there's an upvoted comment saying the article is a waste of time, in that case I don't even bother clicking through to the actual article. But since I only followed the comments link, I can't tell later on if I had checked the comments and then decided to skip the article.
So the feature request is obviously: Make the comments link black and then grey, just like article links. But seriously, an even better feature would be if we could mark an article as "Not interested" so that it permanently falls down from our own main page. And to avoid that our main page gets filled with lower-ranked articles as a consequence of deprecating articles, maybe the page should just become emptier and emptier instead.
I'd like to see nicknames anonymized on submissions and comments until you vote them up or down. This would make votes count more on the merit of what they are saying than who is saying them.
You need a meta outlet. Deleting threads about moderation won't wash: a site won't allow itself to be secretly moderated, especially in ways it doesn't agree with. Every single online community learns this; every one benefits from the meta outlet they create.
Yeah. Just add a 'meta' list to the lists page (http://news.ycombinator.com/lists). It won't be hard, and it won't take up much space. I'll even help build the feature.
Can you change the color of the text for the Job posts plz?
I hate going down the line of stories on the main page and get confused by a job posting for a YC company. It kinda feels a bit deceptive to not have it stand out - given that it is completely different.
If not a MAJOR color change to the entire title, have something subtle (that is a different color) that acts as a visual cue to tell us it is not a 'regular' HN story.
Suggestion: this thread should have the comments sorted differently than normal with a heavy biased towards newer comments (e.g., everything posted in the last year is sorted separately and placed ahead of everything else or comments are simply sorted by their date). The thread is a bit of a mess right now; the proposed change would make it easier to navigate and provide exposure to newer feature suggestions, which I assume are more relevant because the suggestions older than X that aren't implemented have either been reviewed and rejected or placed on a shortlist somewhere.
I'm not sure what the solution is, but it can be difficult to vote on a touchscreen.
Perhaps a mobile stylesheet where the vote arrows are to the left and right of the screen would suit, though I'm unsure of the aesthetics would be suitable. The current design is pretty attractive.
Comment ranking seems to be according to freshness and quality of the top-level comment, but a good comment responding to a crappy top-level comment sinks with it. I find that sometimes good discussions are deep on the page with their +0 to +2 initial comments, which makes it less likely that I will discover them.
I suggest that you use the freshness and quality of the whole comment subtree (normalized by the number of comments in the subtree, eg mean) to get those gems higher. Something like the square of points (negatives counting as zeroes) would raise the effect of good comments and lower the effect of bad comments and low-point side discussions.
Thanks. I'm working on that but News.Yc is designed in a way that your votes on comments are anonymous. Your votes on submissions are also anonymous to other users but you have to be logged in to see them.
The way I envision it happening is you would have to go thru clickpass on ycfeed.com.
I would like the ability to see the homepage from a specific date - a "time machine" feature where you can enter a date and it shows you the home page from that date. TechMeme has this feature and I use it regularly (archives box, right column, bottom).
A list of HN members with average karma scores over 6{arbitrarily selected} sorted by dates they joined with the earlier you join being the high up on the list you will be.
Also, a minimum time of a 100 days{arbitrarily selected} on HN before you can appear on the list.
Hopefully, it will motivate new members to contribute quality content given the possibility of early recognition.
Please delay the disappearance of the upvote arrow until the upvote has been received and acknowledged by the HN server. The up-arrow could stay as-is until the upvote has finished sending, or could be dimmed.
Background:
When one upvotes a comment or submission, the up-arrow disappears right away, but there is a bit of network lag before the upvote is actually sent to the server. On some networks, this lag can be significant. Lag on my network has caused me to sometimes upvote an item, close the window immediately, come back later, and then realize that the upvote wasn’t counted. This is more of a problem for submissions, where not only does the submitter not get credit, but the submission also fails to get added to my Saved Links page.
The only way to check whether an upvote has been received is to refresh the page, but that also has the effect of canceling any upvotes-in-progress that have not finished, and requires one to remember which item you upvoted.
My current workaround, after I upvote something, is to leave the tab open, view other pages for a while, and close the tab when I come back to it later. However, this has the disadvantage of me having to remember, when I return to a tab, whether I left it open because there was still something to read on it or simply because I was waiting for an upvote to finish.
I would like to see a convenient way to see my upvoted comments (in order of most recently received upvotes). The motivation is this: after seeing that my karma has gone up, I'm curious which of my comments was deemed interesting. Currently, I have to scroll down the threads page until I notice one that looks higher than I remember. This is so clearly inefficient and error-prone that I think a software solution is necessary.
This is not completely motivated by narcissism :). I feel that by noting which of my comments are appreciated, I can see which aspects of my writing styles and my thinking are found to be interesting by others.
Add a page to http://news.ycombinator.com/lists that lists the sources/domains of submissions sorted by most-submitted (or highest voted among all submissions from that domain).
Many users aren't aware that the email field isn't public because it is visible when they view their own profile page while logged in. While your suggested solution is better, it might be an easier and quicker fix to simply add a note next to the email field indicating that the email address is only visible to the administrators. Then, if a user wanted to make his email address available to readers, he would think to pop it into the "about" field (perhaps with some obfuscation).
Simply compare the "title" field of the referenced page. If it matches, perhaps compare the domain name, ignoring any "www". Or perhaps not bother. The number of occasions the title matches when the page is different should be sufficiently small.
It would be very handy to have a flag link right on the noobstories (and maybe even on the 'new') page instead of having to first click 'discuss', then 'flag'.
HN can be quite slow sometimes and that extra click could save a lot of time, especially if the 'flag' call could be made an ajax call, that way keeping the noobstories page clean would be simply a number of clicks on spam stories.
This thread seems quite dead, if there could be some kind of response that this suggestion is useful or that it won't be happening then that would be appreciated.
Please provide more tools to help users moderate their own comments. In
particular, I think the following features are sorely needed:
1. The ability to delete your own comments indefinitely, instead of having a
window of only a few hours within which to delete your own comments.
2. The ability to flag your own comments for moderation.
I suppose one possible reason for not allowing comment deletion after a certain
amount of time is that it forces people to really only make high-quality
comments, otherwise they'll be downvoted and they won't be able to do anything
about it after a few hours.
But if you're trying to improve the quality of Hacker News threads with high-quality comments, then I argue that it's counter-productive to force low-quality comments to remain by not allowing users to self-delete them after `X` hours.
Both Reddit and Stack Overflow allow users to delete their own comments
indefinitely. Heck, Stack Overflow even encourages you to delete your own
comments, if they don't contribute useful information to a post.
I think a nice comprimise would be to allow each user a certain number of deletions relative to the karma they've earned. i.e. for every 100 upvotes, you're allowed to delete any post of yours indefinitely/permanently.
The reason for the ratio of votes to how many you can delete, is because its likely that HN karma per user correlates with the quantity of posts per user. With that in mind, someone who has made many more posts may have a need to delete more posts in the future.
This would balance the needs of the community to not have holes in its conversations, but also allow individuals to strike a particular comment from the record.
can it be made more difficult to accidentally flag or downvote? i find myself fat-fingering those buttons a lot on the ipad and it doesn't seem very fair to the submitters.
an optional zoom level would probably solve my problems, on the desktop my browser remembers to always keep HN zoomed in a few steps, but on the iPad it's tiny.
In the spirit of accountability and openness, please add a "history" link next to headlines or posts which have been edited. Version control is a good idea for source code, so why not for discourse?
Counterpoint: if we had a "history" link, we'd just be encouraged to talk about what appeared on it, and that kind of navel-gazing discussion is something we're trying to avoid, right?
You should have to enter an explanation when you downmod something. Then the recipients won't be left confused, and it will enforce responsible use of the privilege. I feel this is a better solution to the abuse problem than only allowing downmods for 24 hours.
Alternatively, cap downvoting at 1 karma, so that comments can't go below that threshold.
(Repeating from my previous post): Letting karma go below 1 adds bias to the comment for future readers, but that bias doesn't reflect how they might feel.
I think comments are where the action is. Three simple things that get most of the bang of markdown IMO: Working permalinks for comments, paragraph dividers and clickable links.
There should be a page which lists the submissions that have recently been commented on. Otherwise, it's essentially meaningless to make thoughtful comments on old threads.
Having a *hide* option would be welcome too.
For the time being, I'd settle for just converting newlines to br's. Adding hyperlinks before there's solid infrastructure for dealing with spam would be a mistake. I'll be surprised if more than few days go by before spam shows up, even without hyperlinks.
we've all got more ideas than time, and it's a shame to let them languish in our individual imaginations. so how about creating a public clearinghouse for ideas where they're a) subject to reddit-esque competition, and b) "open source" -- available for anyone to pursue.
I just wanted to emphasize how important this is to building a dialog (and a community!). I don't want people replying to my comments, so right now I basically have to bookmark each thread that I've commented on and remember to come back and check.
It appears "people" are submitting the same link but with a different value after a hash (#) at the end of the url and the system doesn't recognize it's already been submitted. I've seen half a dozen "How I lost my $50,000 twitter username" submissions to thenextweb.com in the last 12 hours.
Can we improve how this functions to prevent so many duplicates?
Perhaps a ban on links to thenextweb.com??? I see before all these submissions one (that gained traction with HN comments) was to medium.com https://medium.com/p/24eb09e026dd
An api to a user's comments or submitted threads would be handy. The output could simply be an RSS feed to make it serve two purposes, but JSON output would be especially nice.
A visual cue that indicates when a follow-up comment on a post is from the post's author.
For example, when someone on Hacker News links to a post by Mark Pilgrim, I'd like to be able to scan the comments to see if Mark has contributed to the comment thread.
Bug report: In order to include a < or > sign in your post, you have to write < or >. This is fine (although a bit cumbersome), but when you later want to edit the comment, instead of placing < in the text box, < shows up instead, so that every time you want to edit the comment, you have to change every < to <. (The same thing occurs with >, too.)
I'm thinking this problem would be easy to fix, but I'm also curious: why can't we just write e.g. < and have it be converted to < at post-time? Of course, it would still need to be converted back at edit time, but I think it would make posting code or html snippets much simpler.
Ironically, I just edited this post for about the 3rd time.
Make the comment "link" text just be the date of comment submission. (e.g. "15 days ago")
This is now common practice on sites like Facebook and Twitter. The pipe+"link" is unnecessary clutter. It's also more clear, since "link" is the ambiguous verb/noun.
My avg score hasn't changed in about 2 months, it's exactly at 2.17 and has always been. I'm curious, because I read how this score is calculated and it's supposedly the average of the person's last comments - only in my case it can't be. Other people don't seem to have this "problem", does that mean my account is flagged somehow? Or is it in truth the average of only the first comments when an account is fresh and then stays the same forever?
Update: by virtue of what is probably a time correlation-causation fallacy, I can now report that posting here helped and the issue seems to have gone away.
A parallel view of HN, using the same source, but with a much longer time constant.
HN1: 1-day timeconstant
HN7: 7-day timeconstant
HN30: 30-day timeconstant
HN365: 1 year timeconstant
HN is interesting on multiple scales, and things of intellectual value, especially things that take more than 20 minutes to ponder, are getting lost to the cruelty of exponential suppression.
Warn and suggest to strip in page anchors from URLs.
Every so often, people post good links with an anchor in the URL, just because they didn't notice it. It is almost never the case that it's done intentionally, so it would be nice if HN spotted the anchor and warned the user, suggesting to strip it from the URL.
Please look at the authentication system password recovery when all I can remember about an account is the email address. Thank you. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3963671
This is somewhat annoying. If you have a page with 5 or more interesting links and then after some minutes want to continue, it breaks the xp on ycombinator entirely. I usually leave the page. Why in any hell don't you even just link to the start (or include the header bar)?
I bet it's because of caching the query, to avoid post sliding over page indexes after time, or whatever you thought with that non-session and non-user token. But. It. Is. Somewhat annoying, to cut the ?x=whatever just to return to news.ycombinator.com.
Use a timestamp to refresh the query or go back to use old school bad page indexes, but please fix something, at least the error message. Please!
I see this problem in every social news site, and also here: it seems that over a few days, 3 or 4 posts will eventually refer to exactly the same "news". But unless the duplicate submission has the same URL, the redundancy isn't detected.
Users should be able to flag new posts as duplicates, and identify the "older" headline to use instead.
If enough users agree that a post is redundant, then it would become "merged". The oldest submission on that topic is then rewarded all vote-up karma points from all duplicates, and displays all comment threads. In addition, the duplicates either go away or are displayed side-by-side with the original in all lists, avoiding the problem where the "same" story is front-page news under one title and page 5 under another name.
Counterpoint to all the calls for an RSS feed: Do others find reddit's front-page feed useful? Nobody at a social news site has yet figured out how to do the RSS feed right, IMO. I find myself using my browser to read reddit a lot more than my aggregator. For example, it's hard to capture the action on a comment thread, or to create filtered feeds by user. Here's one idea:
http://features.reddit.com/info/xjvr/comments
If user-specific feeds are infeasible (for server bandwidth or computation reasons) it seems RSS feeds are low-priority.
I read reddit almost exclusively through their RSS feed. Its a critical function for any site... what site owner wouldn't want to broadcast to an Opt-In audience of passionate users?
'... Nobody at a social news site has yet figured out how to do the RSS feed right, IMO ...'
How about RSS feeds for individual users comments? Who likes checking into 'roach motels'? I don't. The number of sites I've added content /., use.perl, perlmonks, reddit only a few allow you to extract *your* insight.
'... RSS feeds are low-priority. ...'
possibly true, but why should you have to go back to a site/page when you can just grab the data & use it as you like?
RSS was actually the first feature i looked for - so very glad to see it working. I use netvibes to scan around 50 feeds every morning and afternoon, so the availability of the feed is critical if i am to monitor what's posted. Thanks!
Half-done, at best. Just getting a title is not much use: RSS feeds are supposed to save you time, and give you all the content where you want it (ie in your reader) not just give you a bunch of links that are no different than the HN "new" page.
Or is there a third-party technology that I'm missing that will solve that flaw?
The biggest problem is the voting arrows, which are far too easy to hit accidentally, and up/down votes cannot be changed.
Allowing changing of votes for a brief time (1-5 minutes) would be useful.
Improving display contrast -- setting a darker border and lighter main body area, would be vastly appreciated. Contrast isn't too bad, but can suffer under adverse lighting conditions.
A mobile-specific presentation would avoid resizing / sideways scrolling.
> Please provide a quoting markup. Existing workarounds of either prefixing with a greater-than sign
Or indenting text to present a
Are awkward.
* Bullets would also be useful
# As would numbers.
And proper line breaking.
A collapsed view of comments (available through a Chrome plug-in) is another nice-to-have.
Incorporate the age of the most recent comment next to the comments link:
52 points by pg 355 days ago | 432 comments (2 hours ago)
or something like that. It's nice to know if a comment thread is still active. On the flip side, I am less likely to comment if all of the other comments are several hours old.
Unfortunately, I don't think that fix ever worked in FF3 or IE7.
Also unfortunately, after some tinkering, I can't find an easy way in CSS to get the same effect in FF3 as in FF2.
The best I've achieved with a simple change is to cap the expansion with a 'max-width' on the PRE rule, like so:
pre { max-width:60em; overflow: hidden; padding: 2px; }
(And this still is glitchy, compared to the FF2 behavior.)
I think the main difficulty is in how TABLEs expand to the size of their cells -- it's easy to fix with a DIV-based layout, in my tests. (DIV-enclosed PREs are clipped the same in FF2 and FF3; TABLE-enclosed PREs are clipped in FF2 but grow the page in FF3.)
So my long-term suggestion: drop TABLES, move to DIV-based layout. (This might be a simple change in the ARC HTML-writing code.) In the meantime, add the 'max-width' to the PRE rule to minimize the annoyance in FF3/etc.
From an HCI standpoint this would be tricky, but it would be great to have a system for handling dupes and near-dupes by merging their comment pages. For instance, right now there are two articles about the recent demo of Metaweb/freebase. I commented on one of them, returned to the mainpage, and realized that the other (which also had no comments) was now higher ranked.
This raises a quandry as to whether I should cross-post, or just move on and hope that the discussion happens in the one I picked.
(Note, this is the harder case, of near-dupes: the two articles are different, but \begin{precog} most of the discussion will be about the product they reference.\end{precog} Hence it is semantically reasonable to merge their comment threads.)
So, as a oneliner: add a way to merge duplicate articles.
I think it would be good to be notified, say by email or a separate section of HN, when someone replies to one of my submissions/comments. It would also be nice to be able to have some submissions monitored and be notified whenever someone comments on it.
I believe this would make the discussion and exchange of ideas flow much better.
I just don't have enough time in my day to scroll through pages of discussion for every discussion here at news.ycombinator every day, checking to see if anyone has replied to anything I said. It is primarily for this reason that I don't come back to news.ycombinator very often, but I'm on reddit all the time. After all, pound for pound, I actually find the topics here more interesting than those at reddit, but it's just too damned much work to stay abreast of new developments in discussion.
Meta-Feature Request: Release the interpreter and source to news.yc so that we can implement Markdown, fix the &foo; conversion to not happen on the server-side, and fix the multibyte encoding problems. :-)
This is a bug report, not a feature request, but I couldn't find an obvious place to put it. I appear to be able to upvote comments an infinite number of times: if I click the upvote button once, it disappears. But if I hit enter, the vote keeps climbing. I have some screenshots of this in action.
Unless Hacker News has an (undocumented?) feature that lets regular posters / certain karma thresholds / whatever have a large or infinite number of votes, this appears to be a bug.
I'm running Firefox 3.6.8 on OS 10.6.whatever is latest.
I find myself flapping between news.ycombinator.org and news.ycombinator.com (also .net), and cookies are not shared. Picking one and redirecting the others to it would be appreciated.
For the "comments" page, how about putting each comment in context, by indenting it underneath the submission to which it belongs?
I know you've got a "parent" link there already, but it's not something people are going to click for each one (and the comment text alone is often not enough to figure out what it's in reference to).
I'd like the option to remove my downvoting abilities, as I find it hard to control my urge to downvote in disagreement rather than for lack of quality in a comment.
Most of my downvotes tend to be in disagreement, whereas if I could disable it in my profile, I'd never be tempted to click that little arrow...
On a side note, I didn't want to do an "Ask PG" thread for such a small request, but this topic seems pretty dead. Last comment from PG in this thread was 1026 days ago. If you're still reading this but just in silence, any chance you'd reply to confirm that posting here isn't a complete waste of time? (Disagreeing with and therefore ignoring feature requests is perfectly fine, but if they're not getting read, this page might as well be deleted.)
If someone has been hell banned could users with showdead on upvote them back to life. It would cut down on the silly Hey so and so you are dead go make a new account posts.
Ideally, I would always like to be able to up-vote a submission while reading it. Since most submissions are of off-site content, I don't always have the capability to do this. Instead, I have to come back to HN after reading, search the list to find the submission again, and then click the up-arrow.
It would be ideal if a link to off-site content opened up a viewport page, with the content in one iframe and various HN-related controls in another iframe. Users could opt-in (or opt-out) of this behavior.
Strip Feedburner campaign parameters (and other campaign parameters) from submitted URLs.
This doesn't have a functional impact on the website, since the link still works, but as a web analyst I have OCD about keeping data clean. If people are getting to the page from HN, then their visit shouldn't get credited to feedburner. There's also a benefit to HN in doing this: In google analytics, campaign data overwrites referrer data, which means Hacker News does not receive credit for the traffic it directs to those sites, if there's a campaign code stealing credit.
While the same applies to any sort of analytics campaign tracking query parameters, Feedburner is the only culprit I've seen on hacker news, and they generally have the Google Analytics tracking parameters, which all start with UTM.
A lot of the time I will go to hacker news and quickly scan article titles for something interesting. While I know the mods try to change titles to be more descriptive, some things are just ambiguous. Right now there is an article called "A Rare Disagreement" on the front page. Now that could be about anything, and I don't know if I really want to spend my time on it. Can we add a little box on the submit form for an excerpt/summary that would appear on hover? Or maybe a little down arrow that you could click to expand the summary? Limit it to 150-300 characters and it could be a great improvement to the front page.
pg, I humbly submit that it's time to make a "subreddit" of sorts for politico-technical discussions, and moderate what is submitted to it. I know this might sound distasteful, and I'm not suggesting we go down the slippery slope of becoming like reddit, but I think the events of the past week have shown that it's necessary for change.
I'm not a particularly old member here by any means, but it's become very obvious that this community is too large for the current constraints on it. Minor changes, like implementing a separate area for political discussions would act as a sort of "release valve" without sucking up precious real estate on the front page.
My reasoning is as follows: there's no stopping wave stories like the NSA scandal from being submitted to Hacker News, people are too invested in hearing about it. Besides, there's some justification for it, being that it has a technical basis despite being political.
Moreover, it would lessen the impact to the front page for polito-technical debate to have its own "arena" of sorts. I would also motion for these to have separate karma/upvote/"staying power" treatment, similar to Ask HN: threads.
There should definitely be an algorithm to group stories by tags.. so NSA(7) stories, Steve jobs(8).. kind of like how facebook groups stories ("aka 3 more friends posted about this").
This way, the top stories or homepage will have more diversity and content.
Just spent 15 minutes writing up a detailed submission. Hit submit, dead link.
Back button, copy selection, retry ... but oops, entire selection was not copied, so now the half page of text is gone for good.
Thanks for wasting my time with a years old bug. There is no reason that new story submission page needs to expire. I should be able to start typing in that textarea, walk away from my computer for a week, and then come back, finish, and submit. No state is necessary.
Limit the number of links submitted per account per day to 1.
Why
Prevents spammers and karmafarmers from submitting the entire TechCrunch\Wired back-catalog at a rate of 25+ a day.
Further Analysis
Increasing the scarcity of a resource (link submission ability) will increase the value of items it is traded for (links). HNers value independent news related to code or unique analysis. HN already gets the independent submissions people want. They just die an early death on the new page due to overcrowding by links from webzines\newspapers with a profit incentive for maximum linkbaitery. This feature reduces the rate of dropoff for independent news.
Currently the downvote icon is directly below the upvote icon. This gives a small margin for error and I have noticed a few times were people have accidently downvoted an artcle due to this.
Instead of the layout we have now ( A= Upvote icon and V= downvote icon):
A Name n minutes/hours ago | link
V
I propose that a layout such as this:
A Name n minutes/hours ago | link V
At least to me it would make more sence from a usibility regard to avoiding misclicking and more useful for those upon smaller screen sizes as well.
I'd suggest requiring everyone who submits a story to justify its relevance via the text box, ignoring all story submissions that don't have accompanying text (the exact opposite of how it currently works). That should deter a lot of impulse submissions, requiring users to think about why a story is worth posting here. And it should cultivate voting practices that maintain a stronger eye towards community relevance, as opposed to general interest. I.e., don't upvote unless the submitter successfully argues their case.
Restricting upvoting controls to a story's dedicated comments page would also deter impulse upvoting and force users to check out the justification.
Please let users add a few words about themselves on their userpages. It's a useful way to learn a little more about an interesting commentator. And isn't that the main purpose of the site? Links to homepages can of course be useful too.
At least use HTTPS so that our passwords aren't passed in plain text across the internet. Or, like you said, implement some sort of OAuth2 login so we can log in with Twitter, Facebook, GitHub, Persona, etc.
(correction) looks like you can use HTTPS, but it is optional. It should be required on login page at least.
A similar users list. Show me all the users who like the same stories as me and comment in all the same places. I've already noticed some users who are similar to me and a nice system for making sure I don't overlook any would be great.
Every once in a while I come across a post or comment that's been deaded or a user who's been banned for no apparent reason, which usually turns out to be a mistake by an admin. When I see these I email PG, but there ought to be a more efficient way of going about this. How about a "contraflag" button for calling them to admins' attention?
In order to give an incentive for fruitful conversations, it would be nice if the numbers of answers to a post, and their scores, were added to the karma of its author. Something along these lines could work:
This would only be granted to comments with a positive karma.
It could of course be computed offline after the thread has settled.
It would for reward people who ask questions that elicit either lots of answers or an highly upvoted one.
By using a logarithm, people would not be able to cheat by upvoting every answer to their posts (someting I automatically do out of courtesy, BTW, but many people don't).
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Another thing: When the comments scores were visibles, people would rarely get more than two or three downmods unless they were obnoxious. There was a rule either tacit or explicit, I don't remember, not to downmod people lower than that, and if they were, it was corrected by other members of the community.
I have the impression that the score go much lower now, and are sometimes fatal to new users, who end up hell-banned and don't get a second chance. It may be nice to display the scores when they are below one.
- Some way to mark as read/downvote/hide. I prefer to be able to go through the "new" section and do this.
- Comment history in profile.
- "Best of" history.
- This is a silly little thing, but make the X comments/discuss link larger. I usually go down the page and open that page for any interesting article in a new tab.
- Someway to format posts so ones like this don't look silly and return to the main page thread after editing.
Definately return to the main page after editing a comment please. I think I hit 'update' 3 times before even thinking about why I hadn't switched back.
There's no good way to refer to a HN user by username and have it be obvious who you mean.
There should be a way to write a username and have it linkified. If I write @pg it should show up as simply "pg" and be a link to http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=pg
The culture of HN seems to be drifting slowly away from technical subjects and towards more "5 easy ways to make your shit smell like roses" Business-Insider-type posts. This has been going on for a long time. It's one of the biggest sources of friction in the HN community in my opinion.
I'm not saying that these posts are bad per se, but I would bet that most HN users like either one type of post or the other and not both. I would also bet that the Techcrunch-types outnumber the LtU-types, so trying to move the discussion towards more technical topics is a losing battle in the long run.
So here's what I'm suggesting:
1. Let submitters add tags to their posts along with their titles.
2. Let people whitelist the tags that show up on their homepage.
3. Using data from 2, it should be possible to cluster tags together, and make ad-hoc subreddits. I'm not entirely confident that subreddits are a good idea, but having the tag co-occurrance matrix would indicate whether it is or not.
Adding tags this way is much less drastic than diving straight in to subreddits, and it has a path to end up at subreddits in the end if that ends up making sense. And if subreddits don't make sense, it should at least make search work better.
I would love a save feature... I someone already said this and I missed it, my bad. I check sites like this often while I have a quick minute at work, but if I notice a really good article I want to read I don't always have time. I would like to save it so at the end of each evening I could log in just to read over things I thought looked interesting. I do this in reddit all the time, and expect that I would like doing the same here.
Add a password reminder, and also password confirmation during registration. I mistyped one of my standard passwords when registering, and as a result I was locked out of YC News until I noticed that the password was stored in the Firefox on my laptop's Windows (blech!) partition.
I would like the FAQ and search moved to the top navigation bar. I did not know that there was a search and FAQ for a while and only found the FAQ through google before finding the bottom navigation. The top navigation makes you think that there is only that navigation.
Also, the document formatting is a little inaccessible. The submit page should have either a link to the document formatting, or just verbatim contain the document formatting page content. This probably won't help people who have been on HN for a while, but it would definitely be useful to me.
The top navigation is also a little confusing at first; I would expect that "comments" would show only my comments. I did not have an expectation of what "threads" would show.
EDIT: Forgot to put that an explanation of some of the more strange behaviors in FAQ would be nice. For instance sometimes there is a reply button to comments and sometimes there isn't.
I often look to the comments of a particular user, like people I know or PG.
It would be nice when looking at a comment to immediately get the full context with the submitted story and top level comment. I find myself hitting "parent" many times, when a "root" button would be useful.
I'd like to build a FF add-on that overlays HN comments at the bottom of every page that's been discussed here.
I really need some sort of search API for that, otherwise the solution would be to do a fake-post of the article, just to see if anyone submitted it before, then delete it immediately if the submission succeeds.
It would be very useful if 500+ karma users could reply privately to comments. The use case here would be to be able to tell a user why their comment is not appropriate or lowers the quality of discourse.
This feature could also come with the ability for 500+ karma to make such private comments visible (to make sure this privilege isn't being abused).
For example, in the following thread I would love to tell users why their comment does not constructively contribute to the discussion, but I also know that my comments on their comments don't contribute to the OP. There are many comments on there where a downvote is sufficient, but there are also borderline comments that merit an explanation as well.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7469115
When a submission is new and has no comments, the link to the discussion
page reads "discuss".
When a submission is active and has comments, the link to the discussion
page reads "# comments" where the "#" is the number of comments.
After some period of time (yes, I know it's more complicated than just
time), the comments on a submission are disabled. Of course, this is
good, and it stops the stupid bot that always posts "This is why we
can't have nice things."
The trouble is when comments are disabled, the various submission
listing pages reads "comments" without the leading number. Since we're
trained to expect seeing a leading number from active threads, the
expectation when seeing just "comments" is that there are no comments at
all. It would be better if closed submissions are marked "# closed" or
better "# comments (closed)".
Although it seems you have a special exception for this "Feature Request"
thread to allow submissions even though it's ancient, it still reads
just "comments" without the leading number, and hence, we've got no clue
how much reading we might have to do.
This has been said already on very old posts, but an API would great. General retrieving/posting/searching capabilities would be great. For authenticated users, being able to list the user's own up votes and down votes. Would make it easier to see what the user enjoyed/hated.
Search - and it needs to have the reddit feature where if you search for an URL, you get the submit page when nothing was found. That's how I submit all my links in reddit. This site doesn't have that, so I wonder if I'm wasting my time when thinking up or typing in a title for a submission - since it may already have been submitted.
Assuming that placement on the front page is determined by points/age, allow users to set the weight of age. If I were to set the weight to .3, I would end up with the "/best" page. Users might set this based on how often they visit, via a textbox in the upper-right of the news page.
I think it'd be awesome to have a mode in news.yc where I can paste in a quote, mark it off with like a "|" and have it turn into an indented blockquote with some special styling.
As much as we copy and paste snippets from articles around here, I think it'd really help readibility of posts and encouraging debating quoted points.
Bare bones API-like stuff could go a long way. Add a url parameter to the submit page that prefills the url field and anyone can create a bookmarklet for submitting. Add a status page that takes a url and returns whether or not it is in the system, its current rating and the id to pass in for modding and someone's on their way to a low rent firefox extension.
Most of the people I like to follow are already on the leader board. It sure would be nice to know who's on-line right now and what they're talking about without having to drill down 20 times.
Possible additional benefits of this enhancement:
1. People may take an extra moment or two to examine their comment's quality if they knew it would shortly be on a "master" page for all to see.
2. An additional route for people to join a conversation they're interested in.
Strip spaces from the username on login, especially at the end. Signing in from iPhone, I got a few login errors before I realized that it wasn't a fat fingered password but a login username of "ivankirigin "
Looking at the all the positive responses to the Hacker News post "Are you a UK- based hacker..." posted by "dood", it seems readers of this site might well appreciate a forum area on the site for networking other YC readers or YC seed companies. There is a huge amount of goodwill amongst YC readers and this may be better accessed through a new part of the YC site rather than "Hacker news", eg perhaps you can build something in to allow readers to describe their skills/ideas and the type of YC readers they are either hoping to contact or happy to help etc.Just a thought.
Could we please get username.github.io subdomain support on HN? Unlike the old github.com, these are all user content so it makes sense to distinguish them just like for wordpress.com.
More stats on the leaders page please. Karma breakdown by submissions and comments. Number of submissions and comments. Mean, mode, median? A means of entering a username and seeing the table +/- 15 around it.
I'd also love to see the stats. As ralph mentioned elsewhere, having an API for accessing the entirety of the stats would be great. But something else like a weekly dumping of the posts table from your db would be great too.
AJAX-based upvoting: I click on the up arrow for a comment, and the page totally refreshes, and I'm at the top of the page. Then I have to scroll back down and find where I left off. Annoying.
Link to the news.ycom page in the RSS feed, rather than the external link, or in addition to the external link: If I want to comment on the external site, or read what other people have made, I have to go to the main news.ycom page and find the comment thread. This wastes maybe 30 seconds of my time, which can be important when I'm still formulating what I want to say and don't need the distraction.
Please include subdomains in the domain section next to article titles. (blogs.nytimes.com) has a much more accurate connotation than (nytimes.com) for posts from blogs.nytimes.com.
Reiterating a past request because I can't reply to it.
Please can we get sub domains for google domains displayed. Especially now that we have google plus, I'd like to know what the actual service a link is coming from is. Google code is especially confusing. There are lots of project announcements at I initially assume come from google but are just hosted on google code.
I'd appreciate the page title including the caption for the news story you're viewing. When I've got a bunch of tabs open, it would be nice to know which story is on which tab beyond "Y Combinator Startup News."
When someone important to the community dies, a thin black bar is added to the top of HN as a mark of respect. (As I type this (4th July 2013) it is present as a mark of respect to Doug Engelbart.)
This invariably confuses new users.
I suggest the thin black bar be the height of a line of text, and it contain the text “R.I.P. Doug Engelbart”. This text could link to an official announcement of the death, or to a HN page discussing such a link. The text should probably be a light shade of grey.
Alternatively, without expanding the thin black bar, the text could appear in the orange header bar, and be coloured black. In this case it should probably be centred between the “submit” link on the left and the username / “login” link on the right.
Implicit upvoting awarded to comments based on the length of "discussion" that they produce.
I've been surprised sometimes how an entire thread will form under a comment of mine, and in the end there will be 2 or 3 sub-comments voted at 20 while mine stays at 1. Shouldn't I, in those cases, receive some votes for starting such a discussion?
Skipping over the fact that you can only guess at one other people's comments are voted to... no, you shouldn't get votes for that.
If your comment was actually well written, or useful, or whatever people decide deserves upvotes, then you'll get them for it. If it wasn't a good comment but it happened to start a discussion, credit goes to people having an interesting discussion.
I bookmark a lot of links that I read on HN. Can there be a button next to links with which I can bookmark them on the HN server on my account itself and later revisit them chronologically or categorically.
Maybe also specifically 'search' these personally bookmarked links while coming back to read them.
Use `min-resolution: 2ddpx` media query for high-resolution graphics rather than/in addition to `-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 2`, to allow non-webkit browsers to display high-resolution graphics.
Basically, new links open up in an frame, with a slim Hacker News bar at the top. The idea would be that as you're reading an article/finished reading an article, you'll be more likely to vote if the button is right there, rather than if you have to go back to HN and search for the post.
Blank url posts are sometimes hard to follow because the order of the comments is not chronological -- hence, It's hard to find the first comment, the actual question.
It might be nice to have a chronological sort, or maybe, for just blank url posts, to have the first comment always appear first.
I know this is an early version and things are still a bit rough, but just for the record:
1) The number beside my user name (top of the page) is a bit confusing. At first I thought maybe it meant I had some sort of message waiting to be read, or perhaps that I'd made one comment, which didn't make sense because I'd just created the account. Perhaps a label before the number would clear things up: (karma: 1).
2) I didn't realize at first that the arrows were used for voting. The main page (http://news.ycombinator.com/) had only "up" arrows. I figured they were used to collapse/expand additional content, so I ended up inadvertently trying to vote for several arbitrary items (I hadn't created an account yet, so the votes didn't count - I don't think). Once I saw the "up" and "down" arrows together I got their purpose. Perhaps, instead of removing one (or both) of the arrows you could simply display a ghosted one? Or perhaps replace the arrows with thumb up/down icons?
3) "7 points by pg 1 hour ago | 7 comments" reads like you (pg) added 7 points an hour ago. Is this meant instead: "7 points | by pg | 1 hour ago | 7 comments"?
New feature: Why not combine the scoring with Flickr like tags. Instead of just being limited to increasing/decreasing an items karma, give me the
4) Tell me there's a character limit, and what that limit is :)
New feature: Why not combine the scoring with Flickr like tags. Instead of just being limited to increasing/decreasing an items karma, give me the option of increasing/decreasing tags, and the ability to add a new tags of my own which others could then vote on. This would probably be a good feature for Reddit as well. They could do away with the handful of subreddits they have and use this tagging scheme instead.
I think this is a great idea. It would let things like slashdot's "funny" and "insightful" happen organically. I've been toying with doing something similar for a political blog for a while.
Here's one: get newlines working. Either allow <br /> elements or translate the newline before applying the comment. It'll make the comments a lot more readable. I know it can be abused, but I don't think that's really a worry in this forum. You can always turn it back off later, right?
Nitpick. I noticed this is working now when you type two newlines, but when it's just one newline it translates into a space. I'm probably the only one who cares though...
It would be nice if there was a 'log' or 'about' page for each submission to show editorial changes and other administrative data. Often it would be easier to make sense of earlier comments if the full history of moderator changes was accessible.
If desired, this page could also be used as an out-of-channel means for the moderator to tell the submitter why the changes were made, or why the submission was killed. It could also serve as a page linking to discussion of earlier (or substantially similar) submissions.
Hi, it's not so much a feature request than a bug report (sorry if it's not the right place). Since a few days ago the comments link in the RSS feed is wrong, it contains extra spaces. Example:
Sorry for the spam, it seems client specific (RSSOwl). I tried another client and it was fine, then looked at the RSS flux and it also looks fine.
I've been fooled by the fact that I only had the issue with HN but none of my many other feeds. My best guess is that you're using the HTML entity "/" instead of the straight character "/" for URLs. Somehow RSSOwl handles this fine in <link> elements, but not in <comments>.
I have a submission link to HN on a Website. I'd really like a way to show two pieces of information in that link:
1. whether or not the page has already been submitted to HN
2. how many comments, if any, have been made in HN discussion about the page
My preference would be for a way to add that information to the page dynamically when the page is first loaded, on the server side, so that no client-side scripting (i.e. JavaScript) is necessary. If for some reason it is decided that it must be done with JavaScript, though -- well, I guess beggars can't be choosers, as they say.
As far as I'm aware, no reasonable way of doing this exists right now (short of something complex like automatically searching HN and screen-scraping). I'd really appreciate an API for this kind of thing being added to HN (and reasonably well-documented) so that I can make use of it on a site written in Ruby (not Rails, mind you).
I am aware that occasionally there are great items that don't get a few upvotes quickly, and then get lost in the flurry of other submissions. Submitting something at a popular time is a lottery, and I think many useful items get lost, or go unnoticed.
I'd like to see an alternate ranking system based on votes, replies and page views. Let R be the current score as determined by votes, C be the accumulated votes on the comments, and V be the number of views of the page. Then let the ranking score be something like (R+C)/V. The idea is that pages without views will stay close to the top, encouraging them to be viewed and hence ranked. Pages that elicit no upvotes will then drop quickly, but at least they've been seen.
There probably needs to be a time component in there as well so that items slowly "fade" with time.
I can expand and refine this for anyone interested in seeing waht happens, but I can't produce a mock-up because I don't have access to the "page views" statistic.
Second thing, and much less of a priority, I'd like is the ability to retrieve a single item with its threading information, but not its threading content. My interests aren't entirely aligned with the majority, so I'd like to retrieve every item and then read them in thread for myself. Currently if I pull a given item I get all its sub-comments as well, which I then have to unpick. It's tedious, and I haven't bothered yet, but I can do it. It would be more value to me if I could just pull the text and ID of the parent.
Question: I'm interested to see if this comment gets read. This thread is now 2 1/2 years old. How many people read it, and what path to they take to do so?
Finally, the comment. Thank you for HN. I think it's a fantastic resource, and I look forward to contributing to it for some time to come. I hope I add value.
I'd like to see an "announcements/feedback" section where people can tell this community about their projects and get comments back, i.e. similar to what happens (less formally) at Joel Spolsky's "Business of Software" forum.
In my mind, however, what would be more useful for us budding founders is a place where we can share our ideas and projects in their early embarrassing states. It would be nice the be able to get feedback right at the beginning when I have only the the vaguest idea, and then to be guided by feedback as the project develops and matures. I would not be comfortable to share my pre-pre alpha project on reddit. And people would not be interested.
I believe that the search-space is too great that we should ever worry about other people stealing our precious idea. Starting from one point, different people would diverge and develop in different ways.
I don't know. But I would really welcome more openness. I think when an idea is interesting, and new, people would rather cooperate, and help along. Competition only happens (I hope) when people are chasing after the roughly same fad.
Well, people tend to dislike it if you submit your own blog posts (you're biased, too wordy, trumpeting your own horn, etc.).
So this would be a place to hold virtual design reviews: ask people to look and provide objective feedback; the comments thread would function as the Q&A part between the hacker and the community of reviewers.
wouldn't it be simpler to just decide that it's ok to submit your own posts? some people have done that already and it seems fine to me: they're among the best links here.
Simple usability suggestion -- add an orange footer line to comments pages. There is no visual indicator that I'm at the bottom of a page; I frequently find myself pressing page-down in futility.
Would an implicit +2 for every unique user that posts a comment in the thread be a good idea? Or maybe number of characters in comments / 10, where only those comments posted by people with Karma of >10 are counted? Or maybe there should be a longetivity modifier, where a topic that was heavily voted up and discussed at length should stay for, say, twice as long as a topic that was just voted heavily up?
Or there could be a 'Top Discussions' side by side with 'Top' so there's a different filter for people looking for news (which you want to be recent and not obscured by long running threads) and people looking for discussions (which I'd argue will be more valuable if the popular ones are kept around for a while).
Open for abuse, most definitely, but if the purpose of this site is to build community, I think those topics that get discussed should be more easily accessed. Ideally people would appreciate some valuable discussion and upvote the thread, but this thread here is a perfect example of one that should probably stick around for a while, but has nearly 3x as many comments as upvotes.
This is probably a dupe, but still .. it's a widely accepted notation outside of this site that enclosing the word in * implies 'bold' decoration, in / - 'italic' and in _ - 'underscore'. Seeing that here * italicizes the word strikes me as odd.
I realize that bold and underscore decorations go against clean appearance of the site, but it'd be nice to add standard slash notation for italic.
An idea along those lines: every item (submission/comment) should have a separate set of children that are 'meta/correction/derailing'. (That is, there's 'reply' and 'reply-meta'.)
Users would have to choose (or earn?) 'showmeta'. (So, no clutter for those who don't want to see that level. But perhaps even people without 'showmeta' see the meta subthreads on their own authored items, and a count of unseen metas-in-reply-to-them.)
Minor editorial nits like typos/headline-improvements/URL-improvements ought to be raised in 'meta' replies... and normal replies can be moved to 'meta' if appropriate, even beyond the normal edit-grace-period - especially if their point become obsolete by parent/admin editorial action.
Perhaps meta-items even have a one-tick way for the parent/admin to acknowledge they've been seen, mark as agreed, or mark as addressed.
All in the spririt of subtle-behind-the-scenes work to keep the "foreground" that most see on-point and high-quality.
I agree with your ideas in spirit but the implementation would be complicated. Could you think about how to distill this down to the simplest, least invasive thing we could possibly try first?
(Better to continue this conversation at hn@ycombinator.com.)
I noticed that some blogs create a post, submit the link on HN, then add a link at the end of the post toward their submission on HN for comments.
Something great (and simple) would be to create an API for that. The first useful feature would be to get a listing of comments for a given post. The second one (a little more complex) would be to allow HN user to comment via the API. A simple listing for the moment would be great.
This way there could be a similar plugin to Disqus for instance but for HN. It could help some post get interesting comments.
At present, the only way to access all of my "saved stories" is to send
in a scraper to keep walking the 'more' link until it no longer exists.
With the "unknown or expired link" timer, one would have to repeatedly
hit the site quickly to get all of the saved stories. Similar is true
for a user's comments and submissions. Needless to say, HN already has
enough trouble with bots/scrapers, so it would be rather unfriendly to
add to the load.
Is it possible to provide a 'download all' link for a user to get their
own comments, submissions, and saved stories?
People create throwaway accounts all the time. Allow people a limited number of posts per day to anonymize their screen name. I think you'll get much more candor on some topics. And with this you can better sort comments and stories since HN will still have access to karma and other signals. And perhaps on an anon post, we could see an anonymized version of their karma (what range their karma is in, say 0-49, 50-399, 400-999, 1000+). This might allow us to take someone's anon comment more seriously.
I'd like to have a setting on the users page to ignore all non-link submissions. I enjoy more of the news / discussion aspect of news.yc than the emerging message board aspect.
I second the idea that the RSS needs a way to be more filtered to the quality articles.
Also, having something more than just a title and link in the RSS feed would be nice, but I suppose that you don't really have summaries anywhere yet anyway.
Perhaps you could include the points in the title of the RSS feed entry? Google Reader seems to allow RSS feeds to update already sent articles, I dunno if other RSS readers support that well though.
How about a flagging option, like "flag this as spam". Lately, /newest is being used more and more to flog whatever site (currently web design in newcastle upon tyne, of all things)
If a text based submission gets above some threshold (points, user
history, replies, ...), parse the links in the submission. If
the submission gets any flags, then stop parsing the links.
Also, rendering text normally (black) rather than grayed-out when a text
based submission gets above some threshold would be beneficial.
Sure, parsing links on text based submissions will allow manipulative
people to put their comment in a privileged position, but the current
implementation detracts from discussion. For example, it's typical to
see a follow-up reply for the sole purpose of having clickable links,
but due to reply ranking, one usually finds the reply too late. Another
issue is mobile devices where a copy-and-paste of a plain text URL is
painful.
Obviously, I don't know the stats necessary to grasp whether or not
you're fighting with flag-bots or even users who flag too aggressively,
but I know you have code running to deal with these two issues (you
publicly mentioned how the weighting works eons ago). Since you have the
capacity to roughly determine good flagging from bad, a single good flag
should be enough to reverse the decision to parse links. This should be
enough stop the "privileged positioning" problem.
As for combating the "link harvesting/spamming" side of problem, I think
the most you could do is mark the parsed links as "nofollow" in the text
based submissions (as usual). It's not a perfect solution, but it's
still better than nothing, and it's equivalent to how you handle link
based submissions.
See, respondents to the comment had to manually create a child comment "+ 1 for this idea!" to get their message out. That's not efficient, organized, or quantifiable.
I also wonder how much having no comment scores even contributes to eliminating egotism and hive-mind behavior.
I'd like a modification to the "get back to work" message.
I would enjoy if it rotated a bit through different creative reminders.
Examples:
"have you exercised 150 minutes this week?" (low activity has been purported to kill as many people as smoking, and a bet a lot of we computer users are in that demographic.
"Any hobbies interesting you at the moment? Why not work on them for a bit?"
Seriously, it is becoming taxing to read through the comments when on certain topics (global warming, for one) some users show a complete lack of civility.
I would rather just be able to say "this person is rude and unpleasant, never show me their comments again".
On the login form could you use just one HTML form on the page rather than two.
Presently LastPass and other password managaers will submit the last form found on the page (the create account one).
Which means users with password managers are constantly hitting the account creation page and then have to go back and attempt to click the login button before the second form is submitted (again).
Is it possible to stop new accounts from submitting new stories, maybe at least until they are 24h old? It seems that amount of spam on new is increasing and each of spammers is a newly created account.
When submitting a link, sometimes I want to add a text in addition to the title. Usually I just add a comment in the discuss/comments section, but it'd be nice to have a field for that specifically.
This works especially well if you're submitting a link and want to add a remark about why it might be relevant for others to check out.
Adding a comment doesn't work because it can easily drift down the page. There needs to be a way to supply an initial comment with a URL that remains tied to it at the top of the page. It doesn't need to be votable.
As I use news.yc more I think this is more and more vital. Not only so the OP's comment stays with the URL, but that comment also needs to go into the RSS feed, otherwise I just get a load of one line titles which give little clue as to whether I want to read it or not. I end up wasting time on crap.
http://news.ycombinator.com/openid_merge is coming back as Unknown. This is apparently the point where one would presumably link an OpenID to an existing HN username.
I've heard many people give this wonderful piece of advice:
"Ignore your user's requests. They'll ask for every feature under the sun apart from the one that they really need. You'll spend all your time adding new features rather than making your site genuinely usefull"
Unfortunatly I cant find any citations. If only quotationsbook.com was ready!
This is utterly nonsense. I'm even a basecamp subscriber (used in small side projects). Many have requested GANTT charts be added to basecamp, but jason et al. don't use them in their pm process so they refuse to ever add them no matter how many people request them. I know several companies that have been unable to use it due to this lack of a feature. It's not that we like GANTT charts, but there is a BIG difference in project management between a small design shop (ie 37 signals, most yc type companies, etc.) and a large regulated proprietary engineering company (like my current employer).
The 'unknown or expired link' embarrassment (that's different from both bug and feature) continues to eat my carefully thought out posts, even to this day. This of course, makes me furious at you, personally.
Whatever the timeout is these days, it is simply not enough. Not for editing posts on a phone on a bus, which should be a core use case in 2014.
HN covers lots of subjects (IT, scientific news, business news, social and lots of other stuff) while not providing any tools to sort out what one doesn't need/interested in.
During 2 days I've received ~1k news. For me there were 12 useful. I've skimmed through a 20-screen long list to find those 12 and didn't even try to look through all others because there is just too much of informational noise. So please add some categories or tags to news.
Make the up and down arrows slightly further apart, or make the up arrow bigger. I still worry that I might accidentally down-vote someone, which is made worse by the fact that the arrow disappears once it's done (and is thus not undoable).
Can we please have a blockquote markup? And improve the code block markup so that the line width is wider and doesn't require horizontal scrolling?
This is a code markup example. The problem I'm seeing is that, lacking a clear blockquote text citing markup, it's also used for citing text. Which, in the case of long lines, leads to the example I'm trying to replicate here: a single line of long, horizontally scrolling text.
Just sayin'.
Could a profile option be added to toggle on/off the availability of the downvote button? I browse HN on my phone a lot and am always a little paranoid that I'll hit the downvote arrow rather than the up-vote arrow due to the inaccuracy of touches v.s. a mouse pointer.
I've been zooming in a ton before upvoting (which works fine) but it would be nice to avoid that.
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I believe I mentioned this in the other thread, but I'd like to see my comment after submitting it instead of it just jumping to the top of the page.
An ajax implementation for the comment voting would be nice too. This was mentioned along with some other great ideas, but it's something I'd personally love to see.
You should be able to vote down bad stories. I thought this wouldn't be needed but we're starting to get off-topic submissions, so we need to be able to bury them.
Maybe the rules could even be tweaked to keep good stories with a minority viewpoint from being buried. At the very least, maybe have down votes count as only 1/2 a vote. (So there would have to be greater than 2:1 of people against a story to bring it down below 0 points)
Edit: To clarify: I mean for the URL field at the submissions screen. It's probably not a good idea to implement this in comments because in many languages the double-slash indicates a comment.
yes and no. www.yahoo.com and yahoo.com still isn't treated as a dupe even though both URLs point to the same page (it's only a consistent 4 character difference), and I don't know how the same URL was able to be re-submitted without it becoming a dupe:
I know my HN experience is very, very short, but I have a proposition.
It's true you can write anything you want in your profile's "About" section, but is there a possibility to have a little pop-up window that appears when you hover over someone's username? It only shows you their workplace and education because, as far as I've seen, HN isn't attractive to hackers only, there all sorts of people who use this platform and it would be nice to know what is their background, for example, when commenting. It could bring more quality and dynamics to discussions because then you'll know what you can ask others and what are their expertise. I don't want it to become similar to a facebook profile, but the two previously mentioned information lines are far more important than others such as age, location, etc.
There is a chance that this will turn our screen into a popcorn bowl but I think it can be managed by having a little delay or something else.
A link to "top" (full thread) alongside "link," "parent," and "flat" on comments. It's really annoying to click through generations of "parents" from random individual comments.
Edit: I just realized SearchYC has this feature. An advantage over feeds and Google.
It would be awesome if HN kept track of new comments on a post. While I can tell which articles I've read on HN because of the a:visited color, I can't tell which comments I've read.
As a solution, I'm imagining updating a timestamp each time I view an article I voted up (to limit the scope of this feature). Then, when I re-visit the comments for that article, any comments with timestamps more recent than my recorded one are emphasized in some way.
A way to export the list of articles in 'Saved Stories', either by way of an export function or an RSS feed (public/private) of the page.
After many years of enjoying Hacker News I now have a long list of great articles that I have liked, upvoted and in a sense 'bookmarked'. Right now, even though we can view these articles on the website, we can't download the list in any useful fashion or format.
Actually, adding RSS feeds to other pages like "best", "new" and the new function "over?points=" would be very useful as well...
This site seems restful, but the more link doesnt act so. My typical use case on n.yc: rt click-open new tab on interesting posts on the main page, read through each new tab, then return to n.yc, and click on more to get to the next page (i visit irregularly, there're more'n one page of posts on some days). its probably half an hour or so when i return to click that more link, and its gone by then. irritating.
none of the other news sites have this problem. you're a news site, not an application; act like one.let me flip my page without have to buy the paper all over again.
ps: i see someone has raised the same concern wrt posting, but my use case is even simpler and just shouldnt happen.
The byline of this thread currently reads "2041 days ago", and it's really hard to make sense of that, since dividing by 365 usually takes more than a split-second.
Thus for submissions and comments older than X days, change the byline from "X days ago" to "Month DD, YYYY".
Both 100 and 365 would be okay values for X.
EDIT: Alternatively, extend the current pattern of "minutes ago", "hours ago", "days ago" to "months ago" and "years ago".
Have some marking on the text box on the submission page to give a clue about where the 80 character limit is.
Or just chop titles at 80 chars.
I would find it easier to trim down characters and make replacements if I had a guide. Without the guide it is tempting to remove whole words and sometimes that becomes misleading or link baity.
HNSearch currently searches only for comments and link titles.Please add the ability to search through the content, carried by the articles(may be by duplicating the content in the links to search-base?).
As Hacker News holds a superior quality content on many topics that I(..anyone curious to learn) am interested in, it would be great if I can search through these articles than spending hours altogether on Google, where everything gets dumped at.
Request: RSS feed to return "Access-Control-Allow-Origin" HTTP header set to * to enable all sources, for both GET and OPTIONS requests.
Details: To read HN more conveniently both on desktops and on iPad I would like to have fewer headings per page, have them in larger font etc, I am writing my own, magazine like (or Flipboard like) HTML viewer. I don't want the data from HN to travel via my server, fetching it directly from the browser.
However fetching RSS from the client side, at least on Chrome, and going forward on any modern browser, would require obtaining permission from the Cross Domain site.
Currently RSS returns none. Chrome reports error, will not allow JavaScript code to process. For the development purposes I fake it via proxy (Fiddler2) but once coded it would either require RSS returning the right header, or me channeling this request via my server (Google App Engine)
Since the point of having RSS is to publish it to other services, I presume you would not object to such use of your data. If you do, please let me know and I'll stop.
I plant to make HTML/JS/CSS open sourced once it is done.
Since iOS allowed saving web pages as icons on the home screen, I've had a link to Hacker News on the first page of apps on my iPhone. iOS looks for an image in a specific location and will use that as the icon for the bookmark. If it can't find one, it'll take a screenshot of the home page.
Since updating to iOS 6, my home screen bookmark icon for Hacker News has started changing to the icons for websites that HN links to. For example, my icon currently is a purple 'Slate' logo after reading a story at Slate.com. The only way to change this is to recreate the bookmark until this happens again.
It'd be great if we could get a HN icon that iOS would use instead of failing to the default and now changing often.
Implementing this is as easy as placing specifically named and sized images in the root directory of the domain.
Add a link/flag to help bringing erroneously hell-banned users back. At the very least, if automatically hell-banning people, kill their comments, but allow replying to them.
There should be an app or something where we list 1) problems, and 2) startup ideas. We also vote on them.
* There's value in discovering good startup ideas via the wisdom of the crowd.
* There's value in just seeing a list of ideas to help with brainstorming.
I think that this will lead to more startups being started, which is a good thing. It'll help people who don't start one because they don't have an idea. And it'll lead to some pretty good ones being started because the wisdom of the crowd will produce some good ideas.
Whether or not this succeeds depends on the community of users. HN has the perfect community for this. Thus, I propose that an "ideas section" be added to HN where you could add and vote on problems and startup ideas.
RSS feed that sorts by age, not popularity. The current RSS feed is all sorts of chatty, showing me a ton of repeats. Its annoyance factor is about to eclipse its usefulness for me.
If what I'm looking for already exists, I can't find it.
1. Change the color of the "comment" link please (or use a button). At first, I wondered why all those messages had the word "comment" in them :) And then I tried to respond to this message and searched for the "comment" button and I was enlightened!
2. Document before writing new features :) I'm really curious to know what the "showdead" option is (I don't want to try it because the name is so scary).
3. A URL (or free text) field in the profile.
4. Keep it simple. I think it's nearly perfect as it is (the sign-in form is great).
5. We want to see Arc and the source code of this app :)
even though the post you commented on was deleted.
I just added deletion. When something is deleted, it really goes away. This is different from marking something as dead. You can still see dead stuff if you set showdead to yes.
Deletion is for submitters who change their mind; marking stuff as dead is for editors to do to spams and offtopic submissions.
What's interesting is that I can only delete this, most recent comment/post. (Older threads and comments I have made I am no longer able to delete.) This is an FYI.
I wonder what the exact time-window is, because I am also unable to delete previous posts (since pg made this mini-announcement).
I wonder when/if it's going to be possible to delete your YC account (and all related information).
Digg promised this feature at "The Future of Web Apps" but it has yet to materialize (on Digg), I believe.
Does anyone know what the situation at reddit is wrt control of "your own personal information"? :)
I really am curious as to when the Web will evolve policies and products that adequately address this concern/"feature request."
Please consider adding item excerpts/descriptions to your Hacker News feed. I love the feed and am subscribed to it, but without excerpts or descriptions for items it is not as easy to skim.
With the speed that articles drop from the system, and the probable increase in discussions that may have already happened, it sure would be nice if articles could be classified (i.e.: Funding, Infrastructure, Programming, Startups, etc etc), so that users could hit on the class their interested in to see what was discussed in the past. The startup bar could get an added heading like "categories" that would then let the user select. You could allow user based classification at the article and comment level to feed the categories. Maybe you could let the leaders add new categories (preferably a hierarchical structure)
A best comments for a particular user page. Say I am looking at the profile of a retired user. I open the old great user's profile, I click on comments and I only see a list sorted by newest-first. I am looking at some of the old greats, but I have no effective way to look at the comments that made them great. Please allow sorting by karma or an alternative page for best-of comments for that user.
It would be great if we could strip URLs of anchors (or rather just see them as the same URL, no need to strip) to prevent people from submitting the same article multiple times, e.g. http://example.com/article would be the same as http://example.com/article#anchor
I would like it if HN could be divided into separate sub-topics, or have each submission tagged with a few topical tags, like "web development", "javascript", "compilers", "linux", "graphics", etc. For bonus points, allow HN to be customized for each user so that they can subscribe to their favorite topics, which then populate the front-page and /best page.
I find that keeping up with news on HN is essential to me learning new things and becoming more skilled in my field. However, HN caters to a wide variety of interests, and it is time-consuming to have to sift through a bunch of posts on topics that I'm not really interested in.
Start this trend, please:
TWO sets of arrows.
The first set indicates: Yes, I agree, or No, I don't agree.
The second set is only ONE arrow, pointing down. This means, "This comment is spam/offensive/offtopic."
BUG:
I apologize if this is already posted somewhere here, or if I have failed to find where the bug submissions should go.
There is a bug when submitting a post containing text (no URL). The form you are presenting when there is an error with submission converts multiple newlines to <p> tags, which are escaped on the next submission. To a naive user, it would appear that the substitution of those tags would be "courtesy" formatting, not invalid formatting that will be escaped and show up in the resultant post.
To reproduce:
1) Set title to "Ask HN: Attempting to confirm a bug... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaa"
Set text to: "here is text
Enter pressed twice, I have not inserted any html tags
If this doesn't error and instead posts it, I apologize."
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Allow users to subscribe to other HN users' synopses, such that I would only see my favorite commenter's synopsis. Simply place it to the right of the link, taking up all that space that is not being used yet; put the synopsis in a more transparent color than the other text- like the <0 down-modded comments.
We ( as synopsis authors ) would invent shortcuts for rating and summarizing the content that would fit to the right or be truncated. And when a user clicks on comments, the full synopsis is always at the top of the comments.
And maybe the descriptors that different users would implement ( like their own tags/ratings for the content ) would become unique to that user, eventually, and have contextual meaning to that author. Each synopsis author would have their own tags that they could reuse. Only people who subscribed to that author could see their synopsis so authors' silly or cryptic or worthless synopsis descriptors would not clutter HN readers' experience unless they subscribed to a particular s-author ( synopsis author ).
So each user could have a customized right-hand HN site by subscribing to other synopsis authors and each synopsis author would have their own ways ( tags, most likely to start ) for communicating concise summaries/likes/dislikes of the content posted on HN.
Please implement a "collapse" button on all 1st-level comments. In big conversations I want to skip to the next comment when I am not interested. I don't want to scroll slowly down the page to find it.
In its current intended use, a reader has to poll the HN site for interesting topics. This is frustrating because it's not very efficient, unless you had advertisements on the site... This is a pull type of access to information.
The feature I would like is an information push option. It would be the possibility to subscribe to a digest with a point threshold I would specify. I would for instance specify a threshold of 100 so that every day I get a mail containing HN titles with urls of posts that passed 100 points.
A more Simple and efficient variant, from HN perspective, would be to provide an alternate display to new, like new50, new100 that is like new but shows only posts with more than 50 points or 100 points in the order it reached that threshold. This would be a way to get the best of HN without the unpleasant feeling I could miss any of them if I don't check the front page frequently enough.
Make it new+ new++ and new+++ with hidden point threshold values that you may adjust to get dayly, weekly or monthly ~40 best ranked posts holding on a page.
Comments are a really interesting part of news.ycombinator for many, but it is still difficult to find the most interesting threads. The top-level comments page has degraded given that the traffic has grown considerably, so the result is many 1-upvote comments.
I am proposing to change the comments page linked at the top-level menu to a ranking scheme similar to the one that ranks threads in a submission's comments page, but favouring recently posted 1-vote comments less.
Comments are more interesting than submissions in many cases. Such a page would support bottom-up (comment to submission) navigation on the site better. I know there are some features for bottom-up navigation like the on: feature on the comments page, but isn't very useful unless the comments are good. This would allow me to explore articles I would have never found to be interesting looking at the main page but when framed in the right context with an excellent comment would be very interesting.
The usage statistics of the top-level threads and comments links could support or reject a rethinking of the functionality that those pages provide.
Display new posts on the front page of users with high karma.
Put random new posts that don't have any votes on the front page of those who meet a high karma threshold. Currently a single vote in the new queue is a gigantic step towards hitting the front page and being noticed. When that one vote matters so much and there's so much luck involved in getting it before even newer posts come in, it's no wonder people are creating voting rings. I think this could hugely reduce the luck factor in quality posts getting noticed.
Are resubmissions allowed (or even encouraged) yet? For example, Mt. Gox posted an update 3 days ago, but it only got one upvote (mine was the second, and came three days late). It contained, among other things, news that the company had been turned over to someone else (a Provisional Administrator): https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140416_002_announce_en.pdf
I would say that's newsworthy and worth resubmitting once, but by the current rules I'd risk being banned.
One problem with allowing people to resubmit is that they'll probably resubmit too much. It will also push non-resubmitted stories out of the new queue faster. The first might be able to be solved by encouraging the community to be responsible; the second by increasing the number of items displayed on the /newest page from 30 to 120.
There is another way to solve new queue randomness: create a page where submissions come entirely from HN members that each user may select. For example, I'd be interested in tptacek's submissions, along with tokenadult, cperciva, yours, etc, so submissions from those members are what my page would show. Each user would be able to select their own list of users that they're interested in. But this might be a bad idea because it will make voting ring detection a lot harder.
Another idea is to create a page showing submissions from members that you yourself select. I'd be happy with that, but that's a bad idea because it would divide the community. Pg's short experiment with highlighting users with high average karma proved that this is a horrible situation.
How it works now is how it's worked for a long time. If a story hasn't had significant attention on HN, and it's genuinely interesting by HN standards, it's ok for people to repost it. That's why the duplicate detector is so porous. We want to give the best stories multiple cracks at the bat.
If a story has had a significant discussion within about a year, though, we'll kill reposts as dupes. Ditto if the story is off-topic.
The standards are more stringent about people reposting content that they're trying to promote. Deleting and reposting is particularly bad.
I know some people want precise rules, but we're not likely to go there. We want to encourage prudence, not gaming. But we will eventually expand the guidelines and the FAQ to explain more of this stuff. In the meantime, it's best to email hn@ycombinator.com.
As for your feature suggestions, my instinct is against relying on solutions that fragment the community. It's part of HN's DNA to have one community, one front page, one set of posts. The temptation is strong to let it burst at the seams, because there's so much. But I think we're better off finding ways to enhance quality within that constraint, rather than breaking it.
Leave the upvote and downvote arrows accessible when a vote has been cast. Nothing more frustrating than checking HN on mobile, then executing the opposite of your intended vote action by accident.
Also good for those mea culpa moments when one realises a comment has been misunderstood.
I'd like to see an option to view all articles I've upmodded, downmodded, or commented on. It makes a great place to go back to if I want to find something I said or read a while back and can't quite put my finger on it.
It'd be nice to have an explicit "save" link for stories and comments. I know that every story I upvote gets saved (and can be retrieved via my profile), but I'd like to be able to save things I find interesting w/o giving it an upvote/endorsement (and for users who aren't aware of upvotes getting saved in this way).
It has been mentioned a few times below, but I'd love to see search implemented. It'd be useful for knowing what has been submitted, as well as make the wealth of information already on news.yc more accessible.
I don't think adding downvoting to submissions will mean HN==reddit, but a solution for those that think so: have "flag" display the number of times something has been flagged and have this negatively affect page rank similar to downvoting.
-Avoids downvoting submissions for mere disagreeance. Since the functionality is called "flag", rather than displayed as the complement to the upvoting action, it is explicitly only for objectable submissions and not because you simply disagree with something.
-Allows site to maintain status quo if moderators are busy/away. The site is self moderating.
-Allows better tools for moderators to solve problems quicker, for example they could filter submissions based on the ratio of flags to upvotes to see where their limited attention is needed.
-I don't think downvoting submissions with a karma prerequisite would be a major problem giving how well the comments system has worked. Set the karma requirement for flagging to same as comment downvoting could work.
-If you're still concerned about flag abuse of this new flag system, "flag (#)" would require the flagger to select a reason from a drop down-box of a limited lists of reasons that you decide are valid for flagging. This informs users of your desired direction for the community within an interface mechanic.
I think this is win win, it addresses the problem by simply expanding a current feature, but you probably have some ideas have your own in this area.
The RSS feed must supply at least one day length of Hacker News. I live in middle east and maybe because of the time difference, I can not get the RSS feed of the night before, into my FeedReader and to see those missed news I have to visit http://news.ycombinator.com just to browse those news that I have missed in my FeedReader.
So the coverage of RSS Feed must be longer than currently it is. Preferably it must be at least one day (24 hours) long.
I would like to see the subdomain for entries. For example, github.com is used for official blog posts (blog.github.com), blogs from random users (username.github.com), project websites, and project repos (github.com). Having the subdomain displayed would make the distinction easier to make.
I'd like to see an official "HN Marketplace". Whether that means building a new service (doubtful) or simply having pg endorse an existing site (http://www.hntrade.com, perhaps) is an open question. If pg felt comfortable endorsing, and linking to, an existing site, I think it would be a win for everybody.
Why is this a good idea? Because more than a few of us would probably be good trading partners for various things.. domain names, services, and $DEITY knows what else. But with no official market, people are left to just spam HN with their "domain for sale" and "service trade opportunity" things. And I expect more than a few people have domains, startups, whatever, for sale, but don't post because they don't want to be seen as spamming the site.
Edit: Disclaimer - I have no affiliation with, or commercial interest/stake in, hntrades.com. I just mentioned them because it's the only HN Marketplace site I'm familiar with.
A separate "Show HN" area/link at the top. As it turns out many people would love this separate area, allowing more organization with "Show HN" posts no longer showing up in the "Ask HN" section.
a reddit-style toolbar (ie. so you can easily comment/vote after reading).
Is there a way to do this already?
EDIT I just read that some use the bookmarklet for this: apparently, when you submit a site that has already been submitted, it takes you to the comments on it. Actually, that method is more general, because it also works for article you found in non-hackernews ways. Thus, the hackernews comments become annotations of the article.
However, the bookmarklet requires that you submit the article. This is bad because (1) it's an extra click (2) it will submit the article, in the case where it has not been submitted already. I guess that second point is not so bad, but it would be nice to have a goto annotation bookmarklet, which went directly to the comments. I hereby request this as a feature.
This requires an operator like:
http://new.ycombinator.com/gotolink?u=[someURL]
that does a lookup to find the URL's id, and builds the following with it:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=[URL's id]
(i.e. the code that is already present in the submitlink operator. It just needs to be exposed as an operator in its own right).
The fact the standard bookmarklet takes you to the discussion for an already submitted article when you click "submit" is not at all obvious from the interface. There should really be some way to find out whether an article has already been submitted without any more than one or two clicks and without having to submit it yourself in the process.
What if I just want to see if it's on news.ycombinator to read any relevant discussion, but don't want to submit it myself?
When a submission gets flagged, a "reason" string is entered by the flagger. This could be done via javascript event binded to the flag link, or by redirecting to a "flag" page that gets the id of the submission being flagged. The flagger then either types a short string, or selects from a limited set of reason from a dropdown box. The reason string is then displayed at the top of a submissions's comment page when the flag is approved as [dead].
The reason string could be added in the title, appended to the byline, as an autosubmitted comment, or as a new heading... whatever is easiest to implement.
Ex. if submission X is [dead] and a user has "show dead" enabled, when they click on submission X it will now say "spam", "duplicate", "inflammatory", "automatic" etc.
This would prevent issues like: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1801727 A post was most likely harmlessly flagged and [dead]ened for being a duplicate of one by a cofounder, but a user who saw it interpreted it as persecution.
It would facilitate more convenient discussion if you had the option of getting notifications that someone has replied to your submission or comment. Along those lines, it would be cool to be able to "subscribe" to a thread and receive notifications whenever someone posts a reply to anyone.
The notifications can be on the site itself, like a little box in the corner that shows the number of unread notifications, Facebook/StackOverflow/Google+ style. And/or set up notifications as emails (though personally, I already get tons of spam in my inbox, I'd rather just have on-site notifications).
I built a small chrome extension that provides this functionality. Next to your name, the extension adds a mail icon that lights up whenever someone replies to one of your messages. It then takes you to a 'cleaned up' threads page that only shows new messages. Doesn't work for submissions though. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/notifications-for-...
People often complain about mods changing the titles of stories.
The changes are as far as I can tell, always good.
It might alleviate some complaints if comments added before a title change, have the original title when the comment was made attached to the comment in some way.
I noticed about a week or two ago, the HN RSS feed at http://news.ycombinator.com/rss suddenly started responding with a 301 redirect to http://news.ycombinator.com/ when the HTTP "Host" header in the request is not capitalized. Node.js sends all request headers in lower case, so this situation makes it impossible to access the HN RSS feed for those of us using Node as part of an RSS client (without very kooky workarounds).
RFC 2616 states that HTTP headers are case-insensitive; yet HN's RSS service responds happily to "Host:" and badly to "host:". Would be very grateful if this this problem could be corrected in the HN RSS service.
I've got thousands of saved pages, and I was trying to find one I saved a year or two ago. It's a disaster. Having to page dozens of times, trying to physically spot the text.
Sure would be nice to have a single page with everything saved right there. Then I could just search the one web page for what I'm looking for. I could also put these in a spreadsheet or database for future reference.
Inclusion of every new post or exclusion of every post from a particular website at user's discretion. Regexp based? Just to prevent the site from effectively becoming an RSS reader.
Disable the use of "pre" tags or enforce maximum line lengths for "pre" sections on comment threads. Long "pre" lines widen the entire page width so you have to keep scrolling right and left to read. In addition to accidental problems, you might also run into problems with trolls.
The other post gives a nice example of where the problem actually occurs. Note that contrary to what the other item says, the issue isn't actually "code" tags per se, but "pre" tags.
I would love markdown, when I rewrote my blog software I switched everything to use markdown. The worst part is that YC news does accept much of the markdown syntax... but then does different things with it. Humbug.
Suggestion: Keep scoring duplicate submissions as +1 votes, but also add them to the user's publicly visible "submissions" list.
I'd love it if submitted links always appeared on the my "submission" list. Currently, they only appear if the link is a new submission, with submissions of existing links being treated as an upvote and added to "saved stories".
This is a reasonable default for the scoring purposes, but caught me today when I was looking back for a story I was sure I'd submitted some time ago. Because I went through the process of submitting it, I thought I would be able to find it by scanning my "submissions". No such luck.
In the absence of a personalized recommendation system, I also find it useful to look at what else my favorite posters have submitted. Since "saved stories" are not visible to others, whereas "submissions" are, this is lost information.
A thought on "pending comments". Use this mechanism as a way to community-moderate [dead] posts. This may reduce or eliminate the need for a permanent hellban on individuals. For instance, someone who posted something that got them banned a year back, but has consistently posted good quality posts since, could have their posts un-deaded by individuals with sufficiently high karma, bringing them back into the conversation. If a sufficient number of their posts are resuscitated, then remove the auto-dead from their future posts (or queue them for review by moderators).
How about not permanently hellbanning new users? Or at least allowing us to upvote their [dead] posts to get them back over whatever threshold bans them?
None of these people are trolls -- one of their posts must have been downvoted early on, and they've tripped some sort of automatic mechanism. Perhaps you shouldn't hellban people like this unless one (or more?) of their posts has been explicitly flagged (rather than just downvoted)?
Voting quota on hn
1 point by chrischen 55 minutes ago | 2 comments | edit | delete
I was wondering if it would be a good idea to try up/down voting quotas per day or something like that on hacker news.
So right now, assuming there isn't some transparent quota in place, someone more keen towards voting(maybe because he or she has more time) has higher influence on the ratings overall.
Instituting a quota can make votes more valuable and meaningful, and standardized in terms of value to each person.
So for example if I voted on ten comments one day because I'm more liberal in voting, and someone else only gives 3 votes, I end up having more influence because of my lower standards for an upvote.
A quota of 3 upvotes Per day means those 3 votes will be rationed by everyone for the top 3.
Obviously the problem would be to find the right quota and determining how to let comments posted at the end of the day get a share of votes.
This is not to make it so that people who read more get less influence, but so that people who tend to read less comments per vote do not become overrepresented.
This is more of an enhancement idea.
So let me know what you think.
And if I have any holes in my reasoning.
Another social news aggregator (the one frequented by crustaceans and disenfranchised Hacker News users) implemented a "story merge" feature yesterday. It is a really nice feature.
This feature would significantly reduce noise around major events, and likely prevent second order noise as people try to piggy back on with tangential analysis, derivative stories, or redundant commentary.
There's so many different HN pages (ie news.ycombinator.com/noobs, news.ycombinator/ask etc.) that it would be helpful if there was one page that listed all of them. It does't need to be nice, or accessible itself, but it would help make it so users don't have to try and remember each one or remember where links to the different pages are located.
Comments from people asking for or offering mirrors of inaccessible articles are very frequent. Old articles disappear from the web, leaving discussions that lack context. HN should offer a link to a cached version in the header of the item page.
While it would be easiest to use an external service and just add the link, I think HN should consider creating its own archive of all submitted articles. The articles, links, commentary, and voting data could one day be a great corpus for future scholars (and current-day CS researchers).
Comment Notifications. Many times I'll forget to check my past comments and only a few days later will see people have replied to it. By the time I reply to it I'm afraid the value is significantly diminished.
When all commenting is closed on a submission, all of the 'reply' links
are replaced with '----'.
It would be better to use '(closed)'.
When your anti-flamewar code kicks in to slow down posting by preventing
replies, the 'reply' link is also replaced with '----'.
It would be better to use '(paused)' or '(wait)' or best of all,
something more informative to describe what is going on. Simply not
being able to reply to a post and the 'reply' link showing as '----'
fails to instruct the user of the reason, so you're wasting a valuable
opportunity to teach them something.
You could even replace the 'reply' link with a link to something else
(instructions, guidelines, faq, ...) as well has have more descriptive
text for the temporary anchor.
Name of post-killing moderator. Instead of just [dead] have [killed by flags] if post is auto-killed due to users flagging. or [killed by _username_] if killed by a user.
Fine if this is even just for high-karma users; but there has been some complaints about moderators going too far, and this would add some accountability.
Render text between asterisks as emphasized only if there is no space between the asterisk and the contained text, and only for pairs of asterisks. If there is any space, or for unmatched asterisks, assume the author really meant to place a star there. This is to prevent things like the following
This has been suggested previously, but I would like to add my vote as well. HN could enhance its readability by introducing a method of visually identifying new comments in a thread. It is often very difficult to spot new comments in an ongoing discussion even with comment re-ordering.
I sure wish I could get a front page with 300 articles instead of 30. Yes, I can use bigrss if I want the awkward interface and restricted data about each article that RSS readers provide. And, yes, I can just click the "more" button...wait...again...wait...oh the heck with it. Even if I go through all that and actually read an article on page 3, the more button will die while I'm reading and return its "too bad for you" timeout message if I try to get to page 4.
What I want is a very long front page that I can use to explore the past few days' articles without the annoying not worth the trouble to read beyond the front page current interface.
A place for people to share information about web hosting vendors would be very useful. For many hackers, this is the only fiscal expense on route to a first version.
I just had an idea: is it possible to move the voting arrow(s) down to the end of the post, e.g. next to the "reply" link? From a user UI flow standpoint, it would be nice to be able to read a long post and then think, "After reading through such an insightful post, that deserves an up-vote" and not have to break the-flow-of-scrolling-down to do so.
Now, the current position of the voting arrow is nice demarcation of the beginning of a post, and it also serves to indicate the nesting depth of a comment. Something serving that purpose is still useful. But maybe this more conveniently-located voting option can be implemented with an onhover so that it's visible at the end of only the post that the mouse is hovering on (a few other sites have comment boards like this).
I wish there were an easy way to see things I'm not supposed to see:
1) I'd like to be able to actually see the URLs of "dead" submissions; sometimes they're awesome and have been autokilled due to sites being blacklisted, which I don't support
2) I'd prefer if "showdead" weren't so hard to read. It's just the wrong color on Chrome to be readable when deselected AND even worse when selected. I'm fine with it being hard to read when deselected, though.
3) Maybe allow people with karma > certain amount to turn off the low contrast color, too. I realize I can do this in the browser but it's a pain on mobile browsers. I like high-contrast.
It has been pointed out several times that new items submitted to HN have increasingly less chance of being picked up because of how fast the new items page scrolls items out of sight. This problem will be growing as HN gets more users.
Maybe the approach of showing the list of new items in the "new" page is not necessarily the best one [anymore]?
An alternative approach would be to display a random subset of new articles from the past n minutes on each display of the new items page. This is particularly true for times when several articles are submitted per minute, which will only become increasingly common.
That way each submission would get more time (from a smaller audience) to be picked up and more quality items would be upvoted.
HN has an incredibly high number of good commenters but with the exception of people I know in real life or a couple of high profile cross-referenced commenters like patio11 I don't feel like I build up a mental profile of anyone else.
I'd like to read people's comments in the context of their previous comments. Other readers may be much better at this than me but I find it hard to index what people are saying against just a handle.
It would be great to see some more clues to people's identities appearing next to their names - not necessarily a photo but perhaps a snippet of who who they are / what they do (their about section perhaps). It doesn't have to be there all the time, onmouseover would be great but it would be nice to easily get that reference.
1) no way to tell which are new posts - I cant believe it didnt occur to you to color old or unread posts differently! Idea - change the color of every post title as it ages, from Yellow to black. (or light gray to black).
2) poorly organized. I had to reply individually because I wasnt sure they would see it. See here
http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=1890
3) what is showdead?
4) there seems to be a clamor of links to articles.
I just submitted a question. Under the entry in new is this text:
1 point by dded 0 minutes ago | discuss | edit | delete
This puts "delete" where "discuss" usually is. I intended to click on "discuss" to see what my entry looked like, but clicked "delete" instead. Luckily there was a confirmation dialog. Could the text be made to look like this:
1 point by dded 0 minutes ago | delete | edit | discuss
In addition to a "flag" link on submissions, add a "spam" link so that we can start differentiating flags for inappropriate content and outright spam. I would imagine the algorithm could trust spam flags by users a little more since it's almost universally understood when a submission is spam versus just controversial.
I'm having issues with cookies, I have to keep logging everytime I visit, this does not happen on reddit, anyone have an idea or experience similar behaviour?
Possibility of marking a story as "not interested".
Marking a story as "not interested" means it will never appear on your pages anymore. It doesn't count as a downvote.
I tend to keep up with hacker news but I'm getting tired of eyeballing the titles of all the old articles I already decided I didn't want to check out + the old ones I already checked out and know I won't want to check out again just to find the new ones.
I often find it difficult to tell which posts are new when I load the main HN front page, and I end up spending significant time and mental effort re-parsing the same headlines. This problem is compounded by the fact that my session often expires before I finish reading page 2 or 3 and try to go to the next page, making me reload the front page again and work my way back, by which point I have to scan all the headlines again so I don't miss any stories.
It would be nice if either story headlines I haven't been shown yet could be highlighted, or ones that have recently moved onto that results page could be highlighted, so I can tell at a glance which stories I might not have seen yet.
It should be possible to comment on posts in this thread indefinitely. I can currently only comment on some of the posts in this thread, but I could contribute to others.
Paul, might you modify the submissions page to have some guidelines?
Point people to the Feature Requests thread as they clearly don't notice the link at the bottom of the page. Remind them that this is Startup News so it would be good if the posting was applicable. Tell them where to find Slashdot if that's what they want. And explain that they are not the only ones with RSS feeds so they don't need to just copy links from there to here.
Personally, I think news quality has degraded since karma came along. Some people are clearly keen to move up the leader board and starting a new thread is one way to do that. How about not rewarding karma for a thread's score? It can still be voted up by others to show it's interesting but karma must be earned by quality comments on the thread. Either that, or let us down vote threads to penalise non-applicable threads.
Resource lists for Hackers. This would fit nicely next to "submit" above.
Over the last few days, I've looked for music/white noise that people listen to while coding, and this kind of discussion pops up now and again. It pisses off people who've commented on the older discussion, and possibly disenfranchises newer readers who see all the negativity on the repeat thread.
Net result: it's difficult to get a nice, complete list.
What's needed is a list of books/music/white noise sources/software tools/hardware/useful websites divided by topic/[insert stereotypical geeky obsession here] that people can upvote and comment their favourite.
My suggestion would be to scrape the past discussions on these topics and let the readers sort out the jumbled data, as a start. Crowdsourcing one of the brainiest audiences on the web, bound to work out.
sort:
I want to be able to sort by date, by mod points, by poster
and of course if search is added, sort on my search result:
Views:
count the number of time an news item was viewed and also allow me to to sort on this number
views can complement mod points, if an item is viewed like 1000 times and got 55 mod points and another was viewed 55 times and got 55 mod points, well, this is a nice indicator
Man, I know there was an uproar when all PDFs were sent to scribd... but having a feed reader link randomly link to a PDF is really obnoxious. For some reason, those links in google reader decide to embed acrobat, rather than opening in sumatraPDF like all my other PDFs.
Can the headline at least warn you? Or link to the comments, and include a PDF link in the body?
It would be much easier to create services publishing news from ycombinator feed if there was a way to easily get current news scores.
The only way to do it now is to get the front page and to xpath your way down to the score html element. For that I would have to know stories identifiers. Sadly, RSS stopped publishing those recently - it now contains them as a part of href attributes for links leading to comments. Not to say I had to rely on HTML page layout.
Things would be much easier if RSS contained a score for each news item.
One feature that I think will make a difference visually is to hide the items you've saved so everything on the new or home page will only show items that I haven't read before. I think it creates a better flow for screening through the topics. So a reader doesn't need to stop for a microsecond to skip over a saved item.
tl;dr: I'd very much like a "noprocrast front-page only" or "comment threads ignore noprocrast" checkbox.
I have a huge noprocrast.
Having to /logout just to check out a story or its comments that I got linked from somewhere else (and that I know I really want to check, specifically) is really annoying.
To me, this is a completely different use-case than browsing stories on the front-page. Browsing of the front-page is a significant threat to my productivity, hence the huge noprocrast. Browsing of stories I have a direct link to is not a significant threat to my productivity.
A way to view comments to a submission by the time they were posted, preferably as some kind of toggled option at the top of the page. One use case is clearly in this thread, where finding new feature requests can be very difficult. Another is just keeping up on the comments to my submissions; once a submissions comment thread gets substantially long, it can be difficult to keep up on reading the new comments.
I think the ideal way to reorder would be to consider a comment's post time to be that of its most recent child. This means that when someone replies to a thread, the entire thread will now be the first on the page, with each sublevel ordered in the same manner. Of course, I knew reply to the submission itself would show up at the very top.
This functionality could be extended to the threads page (which relates to a suggestion I made a little while ago) and even to the Startup News page itself, so that we could see which submission has been commented on most recently (because as a parent, its child would have the most recent reply).
I think that a feature that would allow for more rational discussion would be good.
Like, you declare claims, say how they depend on each other, and participants could say which claims they agree with, and which they don't. Within each claim, there'd be a thread where you discuss it.
I think that this would seriously improve the quality of discussion.
The way i always browse HN, is by clicking comments, and than the article, so that after finishing reading the article i can go back and view the comments.
it would be great if there was a link that would go to comments, and comments had a little script that would forward automatically to the story based on originating url, and some query string param.. it would just need to differentiate the page loads that happen after browser back button was hit (possibly originating url would be different)
it would also be great to turn this thing on for all links in settings page, but a separate link next to each story wold also work..
EDIT: I should have said this is a submit article bookmarklet. I'm working on trying a like/dislike.
I've just made a realy quick and dirty bookmarklet. It's only tested in firefox 2 and it's not quite how I would like it to work but it's a start. I'll hopefully update it later to work better.
Just add the following URL as a bookmark:
javascript:(function(){var d=document;var b=d.body;var
c=b.insertBefore(d.createElement('center'),b.firstChild);
var dv=c.appendChild(d.createElement('iframe'));dv.id='ifrm';
dv.height='30%';dv.width='100%';dv.src='http://news.ycombinator.com/submit';
d.getElementById('ifrm').scrollIntoView(); })();
Which brings up another feature request: tweak the CSS so that really long text in a comment (without any spaces) doesn't cause the whole page to expand beyond 1024 pixels.
This problem is firefox specific. For whatever reason, IE does The Right Thing. Actually, the whole site just looks better in IE, so maybe this should be a request for better Firefox support :)
The main functionality I would want out of a submit bookmarklet is prepopulating the url field so I don't have to copy and paste it. Showing the submit page in context of the page I am on does not help as much.
Prepopulation is what I wanted too. If someone could update the submit page so that it accepts something like ?url=site.com&title=foobar in the url it would be great.
At least now its easy to drag and drop from the page the url and title. Any one know a way to get prepopulation to work?
As I said before, I don't think it can work (in Firefox) without a change in the code. Firefox's default security settings won't let you modify the content of html from another domain (I don't think...)
Location: It would be nice to divide posts based on locations. We have lot of posts from SF Bay area, NYC, other metros, UK, Germany, India etc...and it's all jumbled up.
Specially for jobs or networking purpose it would be really helpful to search posts by location.
Can you please add an item's publish date (<pubDate>) to the RSS feed? It's seriously low-hanging fruit. Just whatever the date in the DB says is fine - there must be a 'created' timestamp in there somewhere. Format it as RFC822 timestamp:
def _format_date(dt):
"""convert a datetime into an RFC 822 formatted date
Input date must be in GMT.
"""
I frequently see users who don't realize that the email field on their profile page is not visible (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6593160) and that they have to put it in the "about" section. There should be a text warning next to the email field saying that it will not be visible to other users (or a checkbox to make it visible).
There should be a cap on the maximum number of points that can be earned per submission. Karma scoring will never be perfect, but the current reward for being the first to submit a popular story is excessive. Being the first to click submit on an obviously popular story can earn more points in a day than a patient user who spends years writing thoughtful expert answers in low-traffic threads.
Please extend the submission form timeout. Would it crash the server if it was at least a few hours? Half a day, 12 hours?
I often leave HN tabs open, then start writing a sketch of a comment, then continue later, and notice the link has of course expired. This means going back, reloading the page, and re-pasting the comment. Irritating but bearable.
However, this doesn't work if my noprocrast period gets switched on while I'm reading other articles. I know noprocrast allows submissions, but it needs me to submit with the old link. And the link never gets too old.
I bump into "Unknown or expired link" almost every day.
Upvotes, or downvotes for that matter, don't always go through, but this is in no way made visible. Especially when pressing the back button, the browser might load a cache with expired links. Or when using a mobile connection, the connection often drops and you never know when it's safe to navigate away from the page.
[deleted] comments currently follow childless siblings without an intervening line break, making for very confusing threads (it seems as if the [deleted]'s children are children of the preceding childless sibling).
As far as I can see, there are two tar pits that Digg and now Reddit are stuck in:
1. A lack of focus and quality in the content.
2. No troll guards.
1. Lack of focus and quality
In my experience, users frequent a site because it has quality content and they leave when the quality of the content declines. Digg and more recently Reddit, are experiencing a loss of focus and quality and as a result are losing their initial users. Diggs quality is so bad it is now pointless to read and much to my chagrin, Reddit seems to be following suit.
Reddit seems to be drowning in a rising tide of noobs. Apparently, there arent enough old users around to down-vote the crap posted by the noobal hoard. From a quick read of comments, it seems many long-time users are angry and feel disenfranchised. Its because of this that those users whose content made Digg and Reddit popular in the first place are now leaving those sites and taking their great ideas with them.
2. No troll guards:
Nothing poisons an online community quicker than a few nasty trolls. Another one of the reasons that Im pulling away from Reddit is because it is getting mean. Both the links that are posted and the article forums are being destroyed by trolls stomping around unchecked. I hope Reddit can fix this problem. If not, Im going to stop spending my time there.
The impression that I get, Paul, is that your goal is to make this YC News a start-up news site and a community of potential founders; not simply another social news site. The only way that I can see to maintain quality content and to filter out the trolls is to institute some form of moderation. Straight democracy leads to anarchy; thats why I think a news site needs to be a republic.
I dont think, by any stretch of the imagination, that Slashdot is perfect, but they do have a system where moderators are selected from heavy and moderate users on a rotating basis. The system filters out new and spam accounts and gives preference to high karma users. It seems to keep the trolls in check. It also encourages people to take more ownership and to participate in the community.
Slashdots FAQ explains their moderation system here:
http://slashdot.org/faq/com-mod.shtml#cm520
There is also a brief discussion of their anti-troll rules here:
http://slashdot.org/faq/com-mod.shtml#cm2000
Thanks for setting up the site. It scratches an itch that Ive had for a while.
Can we split the ^ button into an upvote and save button? The stories I want to save and upvote are not necessarily the same, and if I want to use ^ to save stories, there's a disincentive to upvote them.
I guess this is more of a bug report than a feature request, but it's related to several feature requests involving subdomains, so I figured I might as well post it here:
I noticed that the Kenyan TLD uses a similar approach to that of the UK where there is a controlled secondary domain (.co.ke) under which all commercial sites are kept. This is not visible on the front page. I noticed this on this item: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3460033
Expected outcome: show one level more for the Kenyan .*.ke domain space.
I like to scan HN during dead time. By the time I get to the bottom of the page and click the 'More' link I run into the 'Unknown or expired link' error.
Can you just put the page number in the URL? Or redirect to the front page after 5 seconds?
Trying to login with emacs-w3m, I get the error message:
"Post request without Content-Length."
Sniffing the POST request that emacs/w3m sends:
Content-length: 38
I get the feeling news.ycombinator expects the more common form "Content-Length" (capitalized l), but according to the HTTP 1.1 spec: "Field names are case-insensitive." (see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616#section-4.2)
So my request is to fix that to adhere to the HTTP spec, thus allowing us poor emacs-w3m users to login as well.
I think it is nice that we get submissions from older articles that are a few years old every once and awhile. They're healthy reminders of popular articles of days gone by.
At the same time, there seems to be a lot of recycling of older posts going on lately in attempts to grab karma. I feel like this is a too-cheap way to gain these points-- instead of sharing new useful information with colleagues, the system can be gamed by sharing too much of yesterday's useful information.
Flagging something as [old] would be useful -- perhaps some of the folks who've been here for awhile can opt to ignore them a la a browsing interface like /classic/ while still having the option of getting to these useful artifacts if we want.
I'd like a way to differentiate the startup tips from other discussion topics. I am really interesting in participating in the community, but I don't want to have to wade through stuff I've already read in my RSS reader. Already the front page is filled with mostly stuff I've already read, which is drowning out potentially interesting discussions.
However, I also get That username is taken. Please choose another when I try to register the same username. Have I been banned? If so, would you like to start indicating that in the interface somewhere?
For example: "You cannot login because this account was banned" or "The user account you tried to lookup no longer exists because it was banned" ?
Memorizing clicked links independent of browser's history.
I often read HN at work. The page interface is very simple but the bright color of visited links makes it easy to navigate and spot new top stories.
The problem occurs when I go back home and check if any interesting news were added. I have to navigate through a long list of links and the only way of knowing if anything new popped up is to read all the titles again.
It would be helpful if HN could memorize visited articles and change the link color accordingly regardless of the browser history.
In any case, a very useful feature would be a way to track your comments in the different submissions and the stories that you voted up.
There are a lot of really great stories on here and sometimes I don't have the time to finish reading some. I'd like to be able to find the stories again quickly in my recent history.
It would be very nice if you could wrap the post time in a <time> element. I've been toying with the idea of writing a userscript for HN, and it'd be much nicer if I didn't have to parse the post times by hand. Not to mention that right now it's impossible to know the exact time of older comments when they might all say "300 days ago". You could also add a feature to the site itself that would show the exact time and date of a post when you hover over the post time.
Please allow account deletion. All activity could remain on the site with username changed to 'deleted' or 'anon'. Alternatively allow users to change their username.
After reading an interesting discussion's comments, I'll often close the window, do something else, and return to the discussion to read the new comments.
However, it is annoying to re-read the same comments I've already read. Sometimes I'll refresh a discussion 5+ times to see the new comments, and it's harder and harder to find where the new comments are located. I suggest that comments posted < 30 minutes before be marked somehow as "new", either through CSS or some visible indicator.
I guess hackers shouldn't fat-finger or forget their passwords once creating an account, but I'm pretty sure some user named 'dowski' did just that. Maybe he's not a real hacker, but he'd like to login again. So I'd like to request a reset password feature or something.
Add a points filter to the new stories page. This would allow people to find potentially interesting stories (say, with 5 points) that haven't made it to the front page yet.
This hack worked great until the recent change that stopped the evaluation of sequences of * and &. Again there's no way to get a literal asterisk that I know of.
Instead of a blanket filter for political (and other) terms, why not create a way to check if certain terms already exist on the front page and only apply penalties to posts that include these terms if the topic is already being discussed on the front page. This way when big political news happens you can still talk about it without it taking over the front page.
I would like to see a "collapse" button to hide a comment's children, like on Reddit. With the new ranking algorithm, I do a lot more scrolling than I used to (good thing in terms of giving everyone's comments more visibility, but [-] would be handy)
1) I would be curious to see an experiment concerning the karma system, a downvote would cost you (2 karma) an upvote too (1 karma). You gain 1 karma per day if you visited the site, this means as you get to know the community and its codes more and more you get more control.
I think it could increase the value of the karma system, I am seeing a lot of downvotes that I can't explain or that I find unfair. I am also seeing excessive points on some comments.
2) Not related : if you browse someone's comments you may encounter truncated posts titles :
12 points by pg 1 hour ago | link | parent | on: Announcement: YC alumni will help us read applicat...
It would be nice to include the full title in the "title" attribute of those links.
Not exactly, you would have some capital to start. If you start with 50 points you get 50 upvotes or 25 downvotes, plus it evolves every day from your visits and the upvotes you received.
The main point is to force people to be more cautious with their upvotes and downvotes. My theory is that if you have to pay from your reputation (your karma), you'll mainly upvote/downvote what you're really convinced about.
I know that we have to be careful how much we tax the servers for HN, but I thought of a simplistic and low-processing overhead for allowing users to block certain domains.
1) Allow us to input a list of domains we don't want to see links to.
Ex: csmonitor.com, godaddy.com, codinghorror.com etc.
2) Modify the item listings on the various listing pages to include a class that is the url's domain.
Ex: So if the link's url is http://x.com/asdfasdf the link listing would be class 'x.com'
3) Implement a basic css command generated on page load that adds our domains listed in part 1 and adds a 'display: none;' for them.
4) Win!
Obviously it's imperfect, you'll get less than the max items on a page, and users will notice numbers missing for the hidden links.
The "Hacker News |" part at the beginning of the page titles is redundant; please remove it. 99% of the time, the Y-combinator icon is enough to identify the tab as belonging to Hacker News.
On a tabbed browser, a sequence of HN tabs looks like this:
Where (Y) is the Y-combinator icon. So, I can see which tabs are HN, but I can't see what they are about (save for the 1st 1 or 2 letters of the title of the discussion, and a little browser-provided ellipsis).
If the "Hacker News |" was removed from the beginning of the title, I would still see that the tabs were HN, because of the YC icon. And I would also be able to see the first 15 or so characters of the title of the discussion, which would help the navigation.
A 'headline needs attention' flag-like button. It shouldn't imply a penalty, like a normal 'flag', just an indication the headline may need tuning. (Some headlines bury the lede, as with <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7562859>.)
I notice that a few others have complained about what is likely the same issue in regard to form submissions.
I generally have hacker news open in the background throughout the day. If I leave it for a while I inevitably get "Unknown or expired link" when next clicking on the "more" link at the bottom.
Why do the links expire? I'm sure there's a good back end reason but as a user it seems weird that the site dies if you ignore it for any length of time. Its like a Tamagotchi.
A way for new members in particular to see the "Catching Up With Hacker News" classic content they appreciate (on their front page, by default) seems like it could help mainstream them into the community.
Please ignore case when comparing submissions, as well as trailing slashes.
A dupe made it through today with identical URLs; but a special character was URL encoded using 2 different capitalizations:
http://steveblank.com/2010/10/13/too-young-to-know-it-can%E2%80%99t-be-done/
http://steveblank.com/2010/10/13/too-young-to-know-it-can%e2%80%99t-be-done/
(There is an "E" that was capitalized in the first submission.)
I tested this by submitting the story a third time, and capitalizing a "T" that wasn't capitalized in either submission and it made it through the dupe check.
No problem. However, I expected to see the text when I clicked on the link for the comment. As it is, I can't metamoderate (by upvoting, disagreeing with the -8 if it was in fact unfair) or read an Evil Comment that spawned an interesting thread.
An option to turn off (or adjust) the fading/invisibility for negatively modded comments, or a default to show text when a comment's link is clicked, would leave the current system relatively unchanged but allow determined users to read the forbidden content.
Do you have a way of tracking new comments on this thread?
It would be interesting if you have special tools that let you "follow" stories or even people. If I had to choose, I'd rather see the recent comments from a few select people than the front page.
Perhaps not really a feature, but: yesterday I submitted http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1173147 It sank pretty quickly due to a lack of upvotes. However, despite its low position, it did accumulate 9 upvotes over the last day, which I guess are due to seperate submissions of the same story. From this, I propose the algorithm that decides what appears on the frontpage can use tweaking to weigh submissions heavier than upvotes (perhaps it does?). If this story was truly submitted 10 times, perhaps it deserves a higher position?
I think this has been discussed before, but as you propose it, weighting submitting higher than voting is too subject to abuse. I also regularly submit things instead of upvoting them. Commonly I'll click on a story, then use the bookmarklet to submit it after reading so I don't have to go back and upvote it.
[dead] is currently used for both comments and new submissions. I often see [dead] comments that are perfectly worthwhile, but new submissions that are [dead] are completely useless. The link is removed, and they clutter up the new page.
If there were two different categories of [dead] - comments and submissions - we could show dead on one but not the other.
How about some visual indicator (a line - ex, white/the same color as the background; or pumpkin) on the left (under the arrow), so the eye can see the nesting/tree structure more easily in really long conversations. Might be a CSS-only tweak.
Can we build a local community out of YC news? Currently YC is focus is the US. For the RestOfWorld, can we have a country/city page that links to a local startup website or a yahoo/google groups page?
This would to some extent help facilitating potential co-founders -- since that's a constant them on this board.
I totally fubared the formatting in that post. The first problem is the asterisk in "fXckwits" (replaced with an 'X' here). I thought the formatting rules were that text surrounded by asterisks would be bolded, _if_ the asterisks were surrounded by whitespace. Parsing bug?
I tried to fix in one edit, apparently my edit timeout window's expired, so the post stands as is slightly borked.
Hello PG, when you reply to a comment, can you put the focus onto the text box? that way you can start typing without having to click into the text box first? It would take about 2-3 lines of javascript to make this happen.
Three related feature requests for the comments section of articles:
1. Give id's to comments so we can #reference them (I looked for it but didn't find it, surprisingly).
2. Add a "parent" link to each of a comment's children, referencing the aforementioned id, so that it's much easier to locate the parent of a comment when it's offscreen because there are lots of replies. To peek at the parent we'd just have to click the link then hit the browser back button. Perhaps use some javascript to make this parent link appear only when the parent is offscreen.
3. When we post a reply use the anchor in the obvious way so we don't have to find our comment manually. Usually you want to continue reading the comments after the one you just posted.
Besides replying, it would be nice to be able to send you a thank you note to users who accept them. Acknowledgements do not add to discussions, but humans are social, you know.
A "launch" tab at the top, where we can publicly launch projects without having them compete with popular articles.
The same way the "ask" tab works. It would help make sure the community easily sees every new project.
I see interesting projects fall off new really quickly pretty often. Launching projects is such an integral part of the community, it makes sense to make the site work better for it.
Please create a variant of 'dead' that indicates to the submitter that the story has been killed. Killing stories without informing the submitter is for spammers and trolls, not people who have demonstrated some value in the past. It seems excessive to treat meta posts just like spammers. It is inhuman to deny feedback to loyal regular users. To kill a story without feedback is to suggest the submitter is beyond help, not worth engaging with.
An option of submitting a "better URL" would be nice. This is in the context of the blogspam, i.e. when the original submission links to a page that merely rehashes the content of another page.
One option is to allow users suggest alternative url and then have the submission URL automatically changed to a suggested one once latter was submitted N times. Perhaps add a "url" option next to the "flag", make it open a page with an existing URL in the text input field and let the user change and submit it.
I know this is being done by hand by mods at the moment, and I am suggesting automating this process.
An option for having submissions of selected users to float to my front page even with a score of 1 (and perhaps staying there longer than under normal circumstances).
Call it "tracking" or "following the user" if you will.
Alternative: highlight all posts by followed users, similar to how fark.com does it. I can quickly scan the page to see the people I'm interested in, and still easily see the context for their discussions.
I really appreciate the procrastination preventer, but would like one change.
It is not enough that the reader does not spend too much time reading and commenting on Hacker News. Because willpower is a depletable resource, it is also necessary that the reader does not expend too much willpower resisting the impulse to spend too much time reading and commenting. When the "get back to work" page comes up, I find that I have to expend real willpower not to click on the override link (anchor) at the bottom of the page. To balance that change, you might simultaneously put a link to the reader's user page, so if he really needs to, he can go to his user page and turn the procrastination preventer off. (A logout link on the "get back to work page'd be nice too.)
A hacker/non-hacker toggle for each submission and a system for letting the community decide what is truly hacker-ish. It is the only way to prevent Hacker News from becoming Reddit with no sub-Reddts.
I'm upvoting for good intent, but what is and what isn't hacker-ish is decided at least partially through up and down votes already. Hacker/non-hacker are very ambiguous terms and will mean something different from one submitter to another. The submission guidelines are clear whether people choose to follow them or not, and whether people vote and flag in accordance. It isn't about the inadequacy of the current ranking framework. The community is changing, and with that, the ranking of topics. I think you're trying to solve a very difficult problem here that a toggle and an additional ranking scheme may be too simplistic and add too much complexity to the submission process.
A lot of people submit "rate my startup" links. There are two ways to do this - either sumbit a link to the homepage with an appropriate title or submit a question-like post with the homepage link in the title and additional commentary in the text field.
In the first case, the author must add a comment the regular way which may not be at the top/visible the whole time. In the second case, there's no direct link to the homepage, one has to copy it or type it manually.
I would appreciate if HN would improve the UX with these kind of posts. I won't suggest a solution, I'm sure PG will come up with something clever if he decides to implement this.
Actually, my feature request is "don't show that incredibly aggravating page at all" or "increase by 60 minutes the time it takes for things to expire".
I see no particularly good reason for the site to give up on me just because I took awhile to read articles before clicking "More" at the bottom of a page. From my perspective the page was still open in a browser window so it should have remained functional.
The ability to tell how you are logging in and request lost login information.
For example, I think I used OpenID to log in, but I might have used Google instead. I don't know which. I tried to log in from home, and I got the cryptic "Bad OpenID error". I don't know if this meant OpenID was down at the time, or that I was using the wrong provider. There was no way to request an email with my login credentials, not even to my already entered email address.
Even from my work machine, where it remembers I am logged in, I cannot tell if I have a real account or if I have used one of the many OpenID providers. So I still don't know if I'll be able to log in when I get home.
Please make usernames case-insensitive on login. My iPhone auto cases my username as AlanH upon which event I get a
"Bad Login" message. I believe most users expect usernames to be case insensitive.
Leaderboard that also breaks down karma from posts and karma from comments.
Specifically, I'd love to see whose comments are the most upvoted, without having their total karma and average karma skewed by getting to the front page.
It's not uncommon for a front page article to get 100+ points, but it's rare for a comment to get 100+ points.
When replying to a comment in a thread (the parent being a comment, as opposed to a comment like this, where the parent is the article) it would be neat to have the article link available above the reply box (as in the article-parent case).
Several times in the past week I have clicked on a thread, read the thread for comments, clicked the article link to read, clicked back, and then hit "reply" on a comment. Half way through formulating a comment I think "oh, I wonder if the article touched on $foo" and then have to either unwind the stack or open a new tab to news.yc and retrace my steps. Being able to control-click from the comment page would be ++handy.
I am having a problem where a story has hundreds of comments. I click 'more' once to go to the second page but by the time I've reached the bottom the 'more' link takes me to an expired page and the only way to reach the page I wanted is to go back to the first page, reload it and then click 'more' on each page quickly until I get to the comment page I wanted to be on.
Privately expose the voting power on account profiles.
I think it would be bad for the community to know how powerful someone else's votes are, as folks would bias voting according to whether the poster had high or low voting power.
But I'm curious how much my votes influence hotness and match the oracles.
add GitHub to the list of sites that have subdomains expanded. Some people blog from theirusername.github.com, and it would be a lot more obvious that it's a blog post, not code, if you showed the subdomain.
How about an area where we can submit startup advice and vote on it, for example: "don't use bank of america for your business banking", "do incorporate as a C corp in delaware", etc. I think the advice submitted and comment threads generated could be quite valuable.
So, the community that talks a lot about startups is a good idea, but taking community advice directly seems a little iffy. It may be that this group happens to be mostly composed of people who could successfully run a startup, but I doubt it, and if it were true, it certainly wouldn't last very long. If you take any random set of people interested in startups, it's not likely that a majority of them would vote up the right pieces of advice. I prefer the more general submit-links-and-comment model, since the links tend to be more useful data than pure advice.
I would love a Hide feature that adds a "(-)" in the same place the name and comment links are.
Sometimes, I read a comment that is either stupid, irrelevant or annoying in some fashion, and while they don't warrant a downvote, I want to rid my future reading experience on the thread from it. A Hide feature that remembers the decision like a flag or vote would fix that.
The Hide count for a comment could also be used as an extra variable to tweak HN's algorithms - such as where comments are displayed in a thread.
One interesting thing that the creator of Second Life said: when discussions happen in a virtual work they are much more like real interactions. So if all HN discussions moved to 2nd life, that would help solve some of the issues with trolling, etc. This then begs the question: would other less drastic measures like avatars help?
This is not so a much of a feature request, I would simply like it if the background color could be white, or a shade of white. I have been reading a lot of news here over the past few days and I get the feeling my eyes have been hurting due to the text and background color combination. Could be just me.
I would like updates from Hacker News by texting the word Hacker to 90210. And then you all can send out personal messages to your fans! It would also be nice if you allowed me to be your agent to sign you up :). I just think it would be so cool to get Personal Updates from the DNA running Hacker News via 90210 :) Thank you so much for all of your support in the community! www.danielnabors.com explains it all i felt this would be an Exciting Deep Story and strong individuals like your selves would see the Vision :)
We may turn some HN submits into article-friendly places, and only thoughtful articles are welcome from the replies. We can have a small homepage on HN to attach our small articles about interesting news. Maybe the submitter can choose which mode to use. It is like SubReddit but still has difference.
Please make discussion post text easier to read. Whenever I view one of these posts, the submission's body text is in a light grey font that's annoyingly difficult to read compared to comment text (which is black). It's almost as difficult to read as comments which have been severely downvoted, which signals that the submission itself is not worth reading.
Highly related, can you make the "visited" link be a different color for the comments link on the main page? I often peruse the comments without clicking on the link, and that isn't reflected in the comments color.
What would be especially nice is if the "visited" state of the links followed my account around from computer to computer. Once that's in place, a little "x" next to each article that I can click to hide it would be magical.
Concerning better objectivity in voting, I'd like to see two separate counters for up and down votes, rather than the aggregated sum which conceals the actual number of votes and is sort of nontransparent since not all members are allowed to down-vote.
I'm not asking for a personalized vote list though, everything should still be anonymous.
Further, what about an integrated keyword search and a simple duplicate check before a submission is posted? That would greatly improve things, at least those news-related.
It would be great to have a history export feature. By the way, I must admit I sometimes upvote only to save the thread and read it later. A distinct Save feature could result in more strict upvoting...
To help people manage the time they spend on HN (given its slightly addictive nature), what about a rolling series of front-page view counts beside your username. Like it would show you how many times you'd clicked on the front page today, and to the left it would have the counts for the prior days (going back 5 days say). Users can strive to keep that down to a reasonable level.
Can't a link click open in a new tab??? since there are lots of external URLs, whenever i click the link, it takes me out of HN... and i am still trying to select the ones i want to read... so everytime i select one, i have to do right click and open in new tab...
P.S: May be i am a new guy here...and there are other methods there which i dont know
Based on an example that appears to have been removed from the front page just now, I'd like to see an easy way to flag a user who is spamming up the site as well as the current way of flagging particular submissions.
Could a tick box be implemented beside each title on the main page as I don't alway have time to read the full article linked at a particular time, and if its a couple of days before I get a chance to do so it is difficult to find the article again.
Then put an option for the user when they come back to the page to have it display the articles they previously ticked.
Please add full titles to links in the "title" attribute, especially in comment parents. Then, users can hover over the (often truncated) parent link and see the full title without clicking.
Just to be super explicit, what I am asking for is for a link instance like this:
<a href="item?id=519555">Super last minute advice for startups applying for...</a>
to be changed sitewide to this:
<a href="item?id=519555" title="Super last minute advice for startups applying for Y Combinator">Super last minute advice for startups applying for...</a>
Since I don't see a "feedback" button, I guess this is the place. It might have been submitted before, though.
The domain-parser has a little glitch; in an item like http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3460033 it says "co.ke", which I guess is just the sort-of TLD Kenyan websites use. Instead, I think "mocality.co.ke" is the desired result here.
My recent submission was "Who Can Name the Bigger Number?" This is a great article for anyone who has studied computer science, mathematics, or enjoys scientific history. It was last submitted about 180 days ago.
This article, along with other greats such as "Cargo Cult Science" etc are of interest to the community. Limiting their presence on the front page or via the RSS to a single point in time seems extra-ordinarily constricting. I would suggest that after a period of say 1 year an article is available for resubmission.
I would like the votes, comments, and user submissions of the users I'm following to help curate a personalised version of the front page that is of specific interest to me.
Doing this would mean that, when I found people that I thought were intelligent, the front page and threads I was looking at would not reflect the general user bases opinion, but the opinion of the members of the user base that I hold with highest respect.
I have an idea to discourage deletion and resubmission. Apply a -1 penalty to the deletion of a story. It's small enough to not penalize too much honest mistakes, and it's a signal that deletions are bad. (If the user still continues to delete and resubmit, use the current method.)
Can we get the ability to see what we've liked and where we've commented from our profiles please? I keep forgetting where I've commented and what that awsome article I liked was.
Also bug report. When I enter some characters in comments such as and it goes a bit funny.
Plesae add a feature that shows "Top ten articles" as in "Top Ten This Week" and "Top Ten This Month" and "Top Ten This Year." Heck, maybe even a "Top Ten of All Time."
LewRockwell.com does this and I really enjoy the feature. Especially if I haven't had time to take a look this week, and I'd like to see what the best submissions, discussions, etc have been lately.
There are some really good articles from years ago that new users would really enjoy (like me, since I wasn't here a few years ago but have just heard that those were the glory days). It would be cool to see those articles organized into an easy to access format like the Top Ten approach.
It's a little anoying not to be able to read HN offline. I mean, I use my Smartphone to download several RSS feeds. All of them includes a short summary of the news so I can read them quickly. Unfortunatelly, HW DOES NOT include such summary so I have to go online to and, even then, what I see is not the new, but the comments.
Allow articles/conversations to be grouped. case in point: there were many articles essentially reporting that osama bin laden was dead. There are many articles focusing on different angles, such as the social media influence on the event, and i agree that they probably should be separate discussions. However, people post different articles reporting the same exact news from NY Times, BBC, and fox news, amongst other news outlets.
Move the search box to the top of the home page. Maybe in the header or just below. Alternatively, add a "search" link to the header that takes visitors to https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=
I think it would be interesting to have a page that detailed a list of which websites were supplying the stories that have been currently submitted to HN. Like a top 100 base URLs of stories that made it to HN.
So I can keep track of the most popular news sources for the demographic of HN readers. & Keep up on these same sources myself.
I would like an option to completely hide downvoted comments and the subthreads below them, slashdot-like, not merely grey them out. As HN becomes more and more popular, the number of downvoted bullshit one-liner postings and accompanying one-liner chat-like "discussions" IMO seems to grow. I dont want to see people "chat". Based on that, I also would like an option to hide/remove postings below a given number of words, again, to remove the one-liner bullshit postings.
To remove saved stories. Right now, we are able to save stories, but can't unsaved it? Most stories have a timespan and validity to it. This will be useful to keep one focus.
I'd like to see an RSS feed that points first to the ycombinator comments, and second to the original targeted link.
From a comment thread, it is of course simple to get to the original link, but not the other way around.
With an inverse RSS feed, it will be much easier in Google Reader to share both the comment thread and the original link with Google+, or any of the services that support Google Reader Send To.
Gestation period for new users based on time/comments/karma:
A lot of spam/spammy submissions are submitted by new users, users that create an account just to submit these links. I guess a lot of them do it to generate google juice since google indexes the site in minutes.
In addition, the number of relevant submissions are not see on the new page thereby reducing the quality of the content on the forum.
Can you introduce a gestation period for new users -- this could be based on number of days since they created their registration or the number of comments or their karma. Once they pass this threshold, these users can submit stories.
Please add an option for showing original submission titles.
When titles are changed by mods, it frequently neuters them. From "Today my company came out of stealth mode" becomes "Ex-Facebooker closes $1.4M financing round." Clearly not a change for the better. Please keep a copy of the original title and add an account-wide toggle to switch between moderated and original versions.
And it's great too. As soon as I can see a list of my own comments it becomes relatively easy to check recent ones for responses, and automatic notification becomes less important. It's interesting how these features interact.
I just noticed that the edit link on comments expires after a while. An alternative that helps with notification: disallow editing when a comment gets a response. That way I can scan recent comments on my user page to check for responses.
Up-voting breaks after you sign in in a different page.
The situation is this: sometimes I open a number of pages in tabs when I am not signed in, then read and vote on them all. The first time I vote I get the login page and everything works nicely, but if I later try to vote again on a different tab that doesn't know I was logged in, I get redirected to a dead page instead.
Repro:
1. When signed out, open a couple pages in tabs.
2. Sign in on one of them.
3. Try to use an up arrow in the other tab.
I think it would be nice to have explicit support to mark groups of duplicates as such... When a certain threshold of users agree that they're indeed duplicates, the two or more submissions could be "glued" together so that they always show up in a tight group on the page.
The different comment threads could be merged in a sensible way, possibly by reallocating threads from comment sections with few comments. Any comment sections that have no more comments or never had any would be disabled. This would avoid having an unnecessarily split discussion of the same topic between multiple comment sections.
Hey pg et al., could you embed the post date and time as a timestamp in the HTML source? (Perhaps using data attributes?) It would be great for HN parsers/readers. Personally, I'd like to scrape a few comments and cache them in a feed. As of right now I have to use the cheap heuristic of parsing "X days ago", and I assume this could be +/- 23 hours in error.
Add downvoting to submissions as well as comments. Problems this will alleviate:
-users will have a way express that they feel a submission is egregiously off-topic or extremely redundant rather than leaving the off-repeated comment "This is Hacker News?" or "Here is a script to hide links with the word iPad" etc.
-Will improve the quality of submissions and prevent people from karma-fishing with linkbait titles on articles of little value.
-reduce multiple copies of the same story from sitting on the front page
I'm enjoying using news.ycombinator.com, but I fear it will eventually suffer the same fate as Slashdot, Digg, Reddit, etc. The problem on the internet is a lack of scarcity. I'm beginning to think the only way to really solve the problem is through submitter fees. Without fees, I fear it will turn into a self-promoting free-for-all.
Think about the problem in terms of email spam. If email cost $0.25 to send, the spam problem would be gone. If a submission to Digg cost $10, their spam problem would mostly go away.
When everything is free, it's just one big race for the bottom. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.
Think about the incentives you are creating. This fee would just get written into the contracts of viral ad companies, while enthusiastic users would be deterred by the psychological barrier of spending money to do something that feels like just saying "hey guys look at this".
1. Change the color of the "comment" link please (or use a button). At first, I wondered why all those messages had the word "comment" in them :) And then I tried to respond to this message and searched for the "comment" button and I was enlightened!
2. Document before writing new features :) I'm really curious to know what the "showdead" option is (I don't want to try it because the name is so scary).
3. A URL (or free text) field in the profile.
4. Keep it simple. I think it's nearly perfect as it is (the sign-in form is great).
5. We want to see Arc and the source code of this app :)
I saw some questions some days old and even answered well are still in top list(front page). Please add a feature of "Yes, I got the answer." in hacker news questions. if the asker get what he wanted to know, he would click on it and the question will no longer be available for up-votes from other members. This will allow other questions to eventually come on front page and get noticed(and hence get answered).
Karma is currently (roughly) calculated as the sum of a users submission and comment votes. I would be interested in seeing an alternative implementation that takes the sum of that users aggregate votes on each comment and article, raised to x.
For example:
If x was 1.2 and I had posted 3 comments with vote scores of [1,20,-10] my karma would be round(1^1.2+20^1.2-10^1.2)=22 as opposed to roughly 11 where it would stand now. I think it would encourage comments that are very thoughtful and discourage comments that are pure flaming.
Please add item summary abstracts (or better yet complete text) to your RSS feed. Publishing headlines only doesn't convey enough information to decide whether the article is worth clicking through to.
Subtract 1 karma from yourself each time up-vote or down-vote is used; this effectively turns karma into "money" that can be spent on maintaining good discussion and high quality submissions.
This would make people think twice before down-voting. It would also reduce "knee-jerk" up-votes, as people would be more likely to reserve up-votes for things that truly deserve it.
It would also mean that long-time users will naturally do more of the moderation, as they have lots of points and may not be as afraid to use them.
This also makes karma a zero-sum game. This necessarily results in a distinct winners-and-losers scenario, which would be antagonistic to the goals of the site.
This is a bug. When I get to the older posts, around 200 or so, high-ranking posts are displayed twice, one after the other.
Here is a saved hacker news page illustrating this bug, with two examples in it:
1. Change the color of the "comment" link please (or use a button). At first, I wondered why all those messages had the word "comment" in them :) And then I tried to respond to this message and searched for the "comment" button and I was enlightened!
2. Document before writing new features :) I'm really curious to know what the "showdead" option is (I don't want to try it because the name is so scary).
3. A URL (or free text) field in the profile.
4. Keep it simple. I think it's nearly perfect as it is (the sign-in form is great).
5. We want to see Arc and the source code of this app :)
I'd like a link to any replies people make to my comments. Like the red envelope in reddit. I sometimes make comments asking questions or simply brain-vomiting and would like to know what people's reactions are.
In the news feed, there are topics for 'Ask HN' and 'Show HN', but one thing I really enjoy are the books or other sorts of list-based suggestions people provide. It would be really nice to have a more explicit way to pick these out, like a 'List HN' type of comment as opposed to sorting through all the 'Ask HN' links for a good booklist.
A similar users list. Show me all the users who like the same stories as me and comment in all the same places. I've already noticed some users who are similar to me and a nice system for making sure I don't overlook any would be great.
When users downvote a comment, they should be required to give a reason. When someone downvotes me, I wonder why that is: Am I too arrogant? Do they just disagree? Is it because what I posted is obvious? This would also motivate people to think about downvoting more and reduce the problem with interesting comments being downvoted because people disagree with them.
Just one, small, simple thing... why don't you consider changing the highlight color of the texts/words in yor website to orange? The regular blue its just regular (one thing that YCombinator isnt) and the orange would really add to your website structure (everything is delimited in the textbox size) and its and the company's logo color.
After you edit a comment, it's very difficult to figure out how to get back to the discussion. This is a problem with posting a comment or performing other actions too, but it's particularly annoying when you edit a comment.
The parent addition is helpful, but to find the origin of discussion, one would have to keep following parent links. Having a link to the main discussion would be nice.
I would like a "favorites" or "saved links" page. The front page changes rapidly enough that if you don't bookmark pages that you want, a few hours later they can be hard to find if you don't remember the exact title to use with search.
Google searches qualified with site:news.ycombinator.com often turn up the permalink pages for individual comments rather than the original post itself. Could you set rel="canonical" on comment permalink pages to point back to the original post?
When you submit a link it would nice to have the similar link check list the last 10 most recent post from the root domain. This would allow for slightly different urls being submitted for the same articles or story.
A list of 10 similar titles would be nice also, as the submitter may not have the time so do an indepth search for a similar article or may be limited by platform.
Allowing people to delete their comments when there are replies is annoying since it removes the context.
I think instead of deleting the post it should just remove the username and make upvotes/downvotes not impact the poster's karma. Or maybe just make the post sink to the bottom of the page and not allow voting on it.
When displaying list of stories, it would make readability much easier if alternate rows were white. Current listing of stories requires too much mental engagement for me personally.
Alternate row coloring would increase page scability for story listings.
It would be awesome, if the RSS feed would return CORS[1] headers. That way pure client-side JavaScript apps can retrieve it without the need of a proxy.
All that is needed for this is a single static response header: "Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *"
Please add a title tag to the https://news.ycombinator.com/newslogin page. Password managers like KeePassX and KeePass use window titles to select user names and passwords for the auto-fill feature.
I tried to submit a question and it came back "You're submitting too fast. Please slow down." I am not submitting too fast. I only submitted once. It's not clear to me what the issue is. Please fix this. If it's some sort of Fail Whale then make it clear that that's the issue. If it's something else, please make it clear. What I see is a puzzlement and an error on your side and that just causes me frustration.
In addition to 'flag' add 'meta' on comments. There is no need for a 1/3 of each thread to be complaints about the title, whether it is HN worthy, etc.
How about a way to see all the up votes and down votes for a comment. I would be intrigued to see if there are any comments with low points but only because they were somehow controversial.
I'm not trying to be sensationalist but it might be interesting to see the most controversial comments on a kind of leader board format.
Maybe themes would emerge to show big dividing lines in the way that the audience here thinks about problems.
Hi,
First off - really like your website. I check it out every day, several times a day! Love it.
One enhancement request - would it be possible for you to have the links open in another window ... what i mean is ...target="_blank"?
Many thanks
Gerard L
devsda0@gmail.com
Hacker News should be available over IPv6 - it's pretty easy to set up (but looking at Softlayer's blog it looks like you may have to pay a couple of dollars a month for a subnet allocation, which is usually free. That information could be outdated though).
It's a small price to pay to be future proof though.
Maybe you might want to add a bit to the duplicate detection algorithm to remove the "www." before checking if it is a dupe. I only say this because an article was submitted by two different people with exactly the same title. The only thing that differs is the "www." prefix on the url.
Please disallow submissions that link to private ip addresses.
For example, the submission at http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1015536 links to a page on 192.168.0.1. In this case the link appears to be benign, but a link could be crafted that changed security settings on a router, or even routed the router.
It seems that links to private ip addresses on HN could be harmful and could never be legitimate.
pg once lamented "comments that are (a) mean and/or (b) dumb that (c) get massively upvoted."
There have always been mean/dumb comments on HN, but in the past they were routinely downvoted to -4 and then ignored. The problem is that now, people have begun upvoting them, and there are more upvoters than downvoters. Thus, the reason this is a problem is a change in voting patterns, due to a shift in community makeup and expectations.
Partial solution: when a mean/dumb comment is killed by flags or moderators, send an automated warning to anyone who upvoted it and apply a token karma penalty. Increase in severity for repeat offenders -- from a larger karma penalty to no longer counting their votes to a hellban. This educates those who simply don't understand that mean/dumb comments don't belong here, and removes those who continue to intentionally violate guidelines.
Having the footer links found on the main page, especially "guidelines" and "library," be visible when composing a reply to a previous reply would be helpful for sharing those links when composing replies to users who don't know of those helpful resources. In general, it helps me find stuff if the footers are the same regardless of state, whether reading the main page, reading the new submissions page, posting a new submission, or posting a reply to a previous reply.
It would be nice if HN had follow feature similar to twitter where you can see what your favorite author\commentator just posted. With notification feature, HN would lets us know when someone replies to one of our comments then HN would be so user friendly.
i like the 'friends' option. i unfortunately didn't use it enough at Reddit when it was new and now i can't filter for the users that consistently matched my tastes (or challenged them) - the noob tide has risen... i like reddit but a filter that lets everything in isn't filtering anymore. i guess i'm looking for a way that allows me to create my own 'recomendations' type algorithm. i think if it's on and clear at the beginning, it might allow the system to scale if/when it hits a major growth curve and allow that community vibe to remain.
Show a “saved comments” link in my profile, underneath the “saved stories” link. This would show all comments that I upvoted, similar to “saved stories”.
Sometimes I read a really good comment and would like to save it to read again later, but there is no site function to do that. There is already a Saved Links page, so expecting me to bookmark every page I like can’t be a reason to not include this feature.
This is a simple request. How about making the Y in the upper left corner of the page be the shortcut icon? Nearly all of my bookmarked web pages have a representative icon, and it couldn't hurt anything, right?
If you detect an antagonistic or uncivil comment or commenter (an exercise to the reader), add an interstitial that displays the "In Comments" section of the guidelines with the editable comment before they are finally allowed to submit the comment.
I can't remember if this is in effect or not, but stories starting with "show hn" (case insensitive) should get a ranking boost. That would help more user created content get on the front page, which is a good thing IMO.
When flagging stories, please could we get asked for confirmation before the story is flagged? Since I started using HN on a touchscreen phone, I have found myself unable to precisely control where I click, meaning that I have accidentally flagged a lot of stories. A simple "are you sure you want to flag?" would save me from having to click unflag so often.
I would like to have the option of changing my vote on articles and comments. There are times (on reddit) when I vote an article up and then read the comments and find that the blogger was actually full of crap.
Unread replies to your comments. Like how the message thing on reddit is red when you have unread comments. It's too annoying to click "threads" on the navbar, and look through old threads to see if there were any new comments.
I prefer higher-contrast sites. I've restyled HN swapping the border and body background colors, and with slightly larger fonts. CSS and screenshot on stylebot.me:
Out of habit - most blog comment systems I know allow for it - I just used a couple HTML tags in a comment, to no good effect. I think that changing the little label I discovered afterwards on the profile page from "help" to "formating options" could help prevent such mishaps, since "help = formating options" in this case. Also, making the gray of said label a tad darker would make it easier to see - it's a bit "hidden in plain sight" the way it's now, to the right of everything else on the page.
Open source Hacker News. I think the community can get together and talk about new features (maybe on GitHub pull-requests and/or on HN itself, or maybe a Discourse forum instance), and get those features implemented quickly.
More spacing or different location for the flag link (as far away as possible from commonly used links like submission title or comments).
Every now and then I hit the flag link by accident when I click on the comments. As I'm mostly reading on my phone click means actually touch on the tiny links...
An RSS feed which takes me to the comment page of the submission.
Reason being that I like to use live bookmarks in Firefox, and the RSS feed which goes directly to the submitted link means if I want to read the comments left by HN users, I must go to HN's homepage to look for the article, and then click on comments.
Which is a lot of work compared to clicking on the live bookmark entry, then opening up the submitted webpage (in a new tab) from the submission's comment page.
I often open a new tab to read an article off the homepage. After I've read all the articles, then I'll click on "More", and receive a "Unknown or expired link." message.
It would be helpful if instead the More link simply gave me the next 31-60 ranked articles, even if they were duplicative with what I'd seen before.
I use the keyboard almost exclusively and it's annoying to have to tab through everything just to get through the article list. It would be nice if I could push the arrow keys to navigate the article list (similar to google search). Thanks
I suggest changing the way the karma works (I know : "no way") by making up/downvotes ponderated by voter's karma (I know : "ELO blabla, no way").
This way, newcomers impact on what is HN vs what was HN (regarding comments habits and what should make it to the frontpage / what should not) could be less dramatic.
The exponential delay on the "reply" link's appearance means that sometimes the link is sometimes not present on the page. I believe that this reduces the ease with which someone can scan a thread, because it changes the layout and spacing of comments later in the thread.
My suggestion is that rather than not displaying the reply link, display greyed out text in its place that reads "reply", with hover text explaining why you cannot currently click it.
It would be great if the links on HN automatically open in new tabs. This would clearly imply that the clicked link is on a different domain. In addition, the user won't need to remember to go back to HN page, because it would be always open in the first tab. (Similar to Google News)
Automatically up-vote parent comments based on the number of replies in a thread that they produce.
Sometimes, when a big discussion forms, comments deep in the thread gain 10 or more points while the original parent has just 1 or 2 points. The parent comment is usually "worthy" of the same points, but it's as if people forget to up-vote the parent. The parent should share in the karma for spawning interesting discussions.
A recent thread (currently near the top of the main page) suggests that it might be useful to have an optional hat tip field on new submitted articles. Sometimes the submitter learned about the article from another source, or another HN participant, and just wants to get out of the starting block to post the article, while also acknowledging the source of the suggestion that the article is good.
RSS for the newest category, not for the front page. this way i can keep an eye on what's new without having to constantly refresh the page. the current RSS feed is pretty useless to me.
I know there are several browser extensions for these features, but as native functionality it would increase the UX for everyone, not just those that know of the extensions and are fortunate enough to have them enabled all the time.
Is not allowed as title and will show up as "green text", which is a completely different title, without warning. Is there a reason for not allowing this?
Sometimes the article isn't that great but the comment threads are amazing. I don't want to up vote the article but I do want people to read the threads. It would be nice to be able to up vote just the comments of a link.
There should not be down voting for the comments. But number of votes should be shown and moved up so that others can see which ones liked by community and others "left behind". Removing down voting is essential if number of likes are going to be shown to eliminate any emotional response and action (=downvoting).
I'd like SSL. Especially since Y Combinator uses the same site for various internal things, it would be nice to be able to protect from passive monitoring at cafes (I use a VPN but a lot of people don't).
Splitting news.yc from the YC app, hours, etc. system might also be nice, so people can blackhole hackernews without losing YC functionality.
A login box on the frontpage. When submitting a login-protected request like an upvote, I get redirected. If there was a (potentially hidden) login box somewhere on the page (connected via AJAX), then I could just hit the SecureLogin extension's button on my firefox and be logged in.
(See: I typed this, clicked "add" and was redirected to the login page. :))
There appears to be a caching bug when I access HN from work. Sometimes, when I first browse to the page, the top right corner where my user name should be shows another user name and karma score. I've dropped that name into the global address list in Outlook and more than once it has come up as a valid alias for someone in a totally different building. If I click a link, the error corrects itself and I am logged in as myself.
The hellbanning algorithm seems to be overly aggressive lately. If you showed a link on dead items (where "flag" would be on a live comment) that said "Ok?" or something similar, the users could flag items back in to existence.
I feel like there have been a lot of good comments lately that have been autokilled because of a past transgression and we're missing interesting conversation.
Please can I filter some people from /news and /newest? Or could I set a minimum score for any of their submitted articles to appear for me? (Thus, they submit twenty articles. One of them gets 6 upvotes, which is my limit, and thus I only see that one submission.)
I guess this is a user-side configurable hellban / killfile.
I subscribe via RSS and it would be helpful if each topic had a brief description (just a few lines from the first paragraph at least). If I want to read the whole article I will then visit the specific website.
If the whole article was the description that would also be OK; so I could read everything from my RSS reader.
Echoing a lot of comments here, a following facility would be excellent. I haven't needed to follow specific people much, but I'd really like to be able to follow specific threads. Some threads interest me a lot and I'd like to keep track of the comments, but as the threads get longer it becomes a lot harder to tell which comments were recently added.
Please fix the bug where trying to connect my account to a Google account just leads me to a completely blank page http://news.ycombinator.com/openid_merge with the word "Unknown." (Sorry, didn't understand where to report bugs.)
In addition to the header coloring preference, it would be nice to either have a preference to color the text ("new", "threads", "submit" etc) or, failing that, to change the text from black to white for darker header colors.
Currently, with dark colors it's occasionally difficult to read the text.
Please, if I'm on this site for more than an hour or so a day, please pop up a message that says "Get back to work, slacker!" and don't display the page for the rest of the day. Thank you.
I'd love to follow the news in my RSS feed reader. But the 30+ per hour makes it impossible. I'd love a Top News RSS feed with 30-40 items per day. Filtering can be vote count, throttling, etc.
A bug: upvotes are swallowed when initiated while logged out.
Details: If I click up-vote while not logged in and then log in using the form that is subsequently presented, I am returned to the original page. However, every time I try this, the item has the same number of points as before I upvoted it, though it no longer has an upvote arrow next to it, so I cannot upvote it again.
In the case of duplicate submissions (or submissions of multiple stories reporting the same news), it would be good if high-karma users had the ability to re-direct the post to the previous HN thread. This would be better than the current situation where they get a few comments and then someone posts a link to the previous HN thread.
It seems I just became worthy of judging bad karma .. any chance I can turn it off in my settings? Mainly because I don't want to accidentally down vote someone (this optical mouse has a habit of skipping a few pixels now and then), also I really can't see myself ever using the feature .. an eye for an eye and all that jazz.
Please add an 'after-dark' feature that allows those concerned with battery usage , and those with already burned retinas from years of computer to view Hacker News in a darkened theme. Please keep fonts on the new theme as high contrast as the black on white.
I'm not sure if this will even be visible, but I'd love to have the site with css/divs instead of tables/html styling. This is because I use plugings to manually edit the css to make it look prettier, but I can only go so far when all table are just <table> with no id or class.
Simple item-based (hackers who upvoted this article also upvoted...) and/or user-based (hackers who upvoted similar articles to you, upvoted ... ) recommendations would be cool to see on HN, possibly as a way to access (relatively) older content that one might have missed. this assumes people are actually away from the site long enough to miss something -- unlikely. addicts!
Bring back down arrows on story submissions, but instead of voting the story down like before, enough down votes would show the community disagrees with that type of submission.
I didn't say the opinion, I said the type of submission. Also, the story and points would continue to appear unaffected.
What's going on with the hostilities on this site for the past two days? You could have easily said, "I have another idea about how this could work" with your link.
Hey, relax, I wasn't being hostile, just pointing out that the feature wasn't useful. The only thing the feature would accomplish is adding bias to a submission. If someone sees that the community disagrees with a submission, they're more likely to think of the submission as "bad" before they read it and not upvote it (and probably they're more likely to downvote it). That will be directly reflected in the comments, causing someone who had nice things to say about the submission to not comment lest his karma take a nosedive.
Unless you're talking about a whole "category" of submissions, in which case I have no idea how to divide submissions into different types.
Oops! I'm sorry for the confusion. I originally wrote that only moderators would see the flagging, but when I edited the post, I lost that part of it. No wonder you hated the idea so much.
As for what I meant by "types of submissions", I had just seen an "ask YCNews" article about republicans and democrats make the front page, that I hoped to silently vote down. I came up with my idea and added this comment (correctly) to the feature request thread, instead of below the parent, but the fact that the idea lost its context escaped me at the time.
It would be great if the "# comments" links had a different a:visited color. Many times I can tell by the title of a link that I have no real interest in reading it, but if it has "30 comments" I think "Hm, I bet someone said something worthwhile in there." But if I read 10 comment threads like that and come back later in the day, I have no visual feedback as to which are truly "unread."
The /threads page doesn't show recent comments. I replied to an old comment of mine on the Feature Requests thread to add more information. That new comment should then have appear at the top of my /threads page, possibly with the other one above it as context. It didn't appear at all, presumably because the parent wasn't displayed. This is wrong. It's a problem that there's no pageing on /threads so I can't view all my posts, but at least the recent ones should be visible.
Thank you for expanding the volume of posts displayed. Previously, you only displayed about 200, which meant that the user would probably miss some postings unless he or she consulted the site twice a day or so. By displaying many more "historic" posts, the user would have the assurance of not missing posts if he or she did not consult the site for a couple of days. Thanks again.
Thank you for expanding the volume of posts displayed. Previously, you only displayed about 200, which meant that the user would probably miss some postings unless he or she consulted the site twice a day or so. By displaying many more "historic" posts, the user would have the assurance of not missing posts if he or she did not consult the site for a couple of days. Thanks again.
0) API
1) obfuscate email addresses in comments
2) an effective way to enter code in comments and submissions and have it render nicely (this is HACKER news, right?)
Would it be possible to have some sort of way of highlighting user comments within an item? For example, if I wanted to read all of PG's comments on this page, I could do something like:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=363&user=pg
This would give you some signification a comment was from pg; either a highlight or a box?
Not sure "[deleted]" posts are correctly indented from their parent. Also, the lack of space above them means they don't stand out from their parent. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=624964 is an example. It's not immediately obvious from indentation or spacing that swolchok's two posts aren't a reply to himself.
Suggesting an idea already implemented in StackOverflow - Moderation by users with certain number of karmas.
Of late, we see lots of HNers complaining about kind of subjects being submitted and the high Noise to Signal ratio. Would it make sense to provide moderation ability to HNers with 10k+ karma and discourage such topics here?
Funny; when I edited the parent comment, the confirmation page showed the correct characters. When I went back to the thread view, the chars were garbled again.
A test of unescaped angle braces:
Usage: foo
If you fix this and you want me to retest the funky chars after that, just let me know: <my username here> at yahoo dot com.
Oops.. sorry for the repost; I should have imagined that abusing a feature request thread for bug reports was not much more original than the converse. :P
As far as I can see, no one has asked this before. It would be /really/ nice if I could subscribe to an RSS feed of stories that has earned a certain amount of points, for instance 30. That way I most probably wouldn't receive pointless news about how facebook should look like.
Edit: Btw, what about including a point link in the feed, it's not like you're earning money by ads anyway. Thanks for a nice service!
I wish there a way to tell when someone has added a new comment to one of the threads I'm involved in. This would be especially useful for threads that are more than a couple days old (too old to be worth checking specifically). Just because activity has died down doesn't mean I don't care if somebody says something. On the contrary, after-the-fact comments are often more thoughtful because the writer really cares about the topic.
I proposed some days ago a Twitter-like follow button. Everyone could make his favorite user list. This don't have to affect to the current site if the follow button is only in the profile page of each user and your tracked user page link is in your own profile.
The complexity of the new tracked users page may be similar to the current threads page. If it's a private page is posible that don't waste too much server CPU.
I get so engrossed in this site and it is turning out to be a major time waster. There are a lot of interesting articles but I really need to more productive and reading HN isn't helping with that.
Perhaps a solution.
I would like to have the option of reading the highest rated article of the day. Just one article on the page. The 'active' page has a lot of articles. I just want one article. Period.
The "more" link at the bottom of each page expires.
I love this site, and I like to read more than the 1st 100 posts. But by the time I get to the 4th page, the "more" link at the bottom has expired. To continue, I have to start from the beginning and quickly click the more link fast enough so that it doesn't expire.
I'd like to see a search feature. There's so much useful information on this site and I'd love to be able to find items that I can't quite recall the details on.
When I submit a story early in the morning on the east coast, I sometimes kill it. Hours later, long after it has rolled off the news page, California people submit the same story, but it has no chance of hitting the front page because it's "old". East-coast people should not be able to preemtively kill stories this way.
Suggestion: It seems reasonable that some comments will be accurately valued at 0, or -1... maybe even -5. But from time to time, comments get forced down to -10, -15, -20... and that just seems to be taking it too far.
Perhaps have either a hard lower limit, beyond which it just doesn't make sense to go, or, have a soft lower limit, beyond which moderator must have some minimum karma score to be able to downvote further.
Perhaps there should be a separation between points for a comment and karma?
Now, a user's karma is the sum of all points, so it doesn't necessarily say much about the average quality. What if the maximum limit a comment could modify your karma was from -2 to +2?
I'm not sure how this should be calculated, but perhaps a score between 2 and 10 would add 1 karma point, and everything above would add 2?
I have no idea if this has already been brought up (considering I just skimmed over the responses in this discussion) but I'd like to see another tab on top that maybe is for questions that people are curious about. I see that people are posting in the news areas not links but a single question that they're looking for people to respond to and create debate. They're not necessarily news worthy contributions but important none the less in fueling conversations.
I am pretty happy in my job. Could you make a feature so that I could filter out all posts with the words "investor, investment, retirement, rich, killer app" or any other story that concerns the adolescent wet dreams of lots of money and the coolest private jet EVVAH!, and rather let me focus on storys on technology?
I use my saved stories profile page (upvotes) as a great link archive and read later tool.
Could also comment upvotes be saved and showed in the same way?
And as a less important sugestion, but cool reverse way of thinking, could stories and comment downvotes banish that items from my view of the HN site. Thanks!
I'd like to suggest a new category for killfiled sites / submissions - ones that get to stay live but don't gain karma when other people try to submit them.
The recent submission flood of "37signals valuation tops $100 billion after bold VC investment" shows how this kind of dreck ends up on the front page - it's not from people agreeing, but people submitting blindly.
It would be nice if all posts would still be linked to the main page somehow. OK, it would be nice for people pondering to crawl Hacker News. Even better would be a zipped download of all the posts...
Still, would crawling be OK? Since the old posts are not linked anymore, I consider crawling by id (check all ids up to 150000 - ugh...). I would try to minimize requests (one topic contains several ids in one go), but still...
Could you add a media type categorization to the submit page? I'm on a work computer without sound. Would be great if I could pass over the video and podcast links and only go to the blog/news stories. Nothing fancy like a filter - maybe just some radio buttons on the submit page for text|video|sound| that would appear in the listing.
I'm getting frequent Nginix errors posting or deleting comments at the moment, though actions appear to complete.
A comment posted twice showed as "dead". I deleted the dupe and got the error again.
Show the number of responses to my posts/comments next to my name, let's say: mojuba (44/120), where 120 is the total number of messages in all threads I'm involved in. This will give me a chance to know if someone replied in a thread I started by just looking at the number. What I'm doing instead is I'm checking my "comments" page regularly, from top to bottom to see if anyone replied to me.
I saw this feature on other social sites, it works pretty well.
Pushover support. Notifo is basically the same thing, but Pushover supports all platforms while Notifo has been "in development" with their other platforms for the last several months.
There are other alternatives listed in their farewell message. Since
they're no longer in service the 'notifo' field in profiles on HN and
the arclanguage.org form can (should?) be removed.
Personally, I hate notifications, but of course, tastes vary, and some
people really do love getting an endless stream of notifications. The
trouble, or course, is which service to integrate, and how triggering
should be done. It's not as simple as it might seem at first glance.
Worse yet, HN (actually news.arc) runs as a single thread on a single
system, so the performance impact of adding notifications might make
them infeasible.
Instead of open an original page with article I want to open the page prepared by YC with a button for fast return to HN. It’s handy to walk around the site and then turn back to HN. The BACK button doesn’t helps when you go deeper the site. Or it could be the button that opens comments.
Is there a way to change my password? I don't see a form for it anywhere, but maybe I missed it. If it doesn't exist, this would be a great feature to add for sure.
I'd like to see an iphone favicon, so that when one "Add To Home Screen"s a link to HN they would get a nice icon in the app list rather than an unrecognizable screen shot. A quick
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I would love to see some sort of 'submitted' or 'updated' feedback indicator when editing your comment.
I clicked edit, typed in my changes, and clicked submit. The page didn't really update so I wasn't sure if my edit even worked. I clicked submit again just for good measure.
Can you link the RSS item to the HN page rather than the submitted story? (e.g. see reddit)
By linking to the story and not the HN post, when following the link one has lost access (like a dangling pointer) to the comments. Currently I must mouse-click the "comments" link in the RSS item instead of using my RSS reader's ability to follow the link, which is a PITA.
When submitting a form (like editing a post), my reflex is to hit tab and then enter, since this exits the textarea and then immediately submits. However, where the help link is now, this causes me to be sent to the Help page each time. This is a minor thing, but I think Hacker News should model usability and move the help link to after the submit button (or set the tab index on the submit button).
When submitting a form (like editing a post), my reflex is to hit tab and then enter, since this exits the textarea and then immediately submits. However, where the help link is now, this causes me to be sent to the Help page each time. This is a minor thing, but I think Hacker News should model usability and move the help link to after the submit button (or set the tab index on the submit button).
When someone posts a tweet, it shows "(twitter.com)". It would be more informative to show the twitter "(@username)" or "(twitter.com @twitterusername)".
All pages on this site available over HTTPS. I mean, this is a geek website right?
Free SSL certs are available from StartSSL (https://www.startssl.com). If you need help setting it up, contact me. My rate is $45/hr at 30 minutes = $22.50.
When linking to a google plus page, please use something like (plus.google.com) and not (google.com). Perhaps it's just me, but when I see a story by (google.com) I tend to think it's an announcement/ info form google themselves - and not just some guy with an opinion :-)
It would be nice to be able to login using openid without being asked to give away "contacts". I just tried to login using Google account and it seems to be immposible without letting them see my contacts. Anyway, why would HN need such data?
PG - i use news.yc on my cell phone from time to time. it seems that something changed in the last few months that makes it quite unreadable at least on my phone - all the text is centered, not left-aligned at all. Perhaps the mobile browser doesn't support whatever CSS you're using to left-align things, and taking the <center> tags literally. I don't know how much of this was my fault either. :-)
Collapse comments which has more than 2 comments or so. I don't care about a particular comment and 50 people who replied that comment, my screen fills up. If there would be a JavaScript collapse option, that would be cool.
Is there anyway to separate stories based on technical competency? I love Hacker News, but can't stand having to skim over 50+% of the stories because they are beyond my comprehension- to get to the 40% of stories that I can actually learn from/understand.
Few times in a year there is an onslaught of "make hn as reddit" (which triggers the erlang effect). While this goes away after few days, there is a trickle of crowd who still persist on unimportant/distracting comments - which triggers more comments below. It would be great to hide these "unwanted" comments.
How about adding a rate-limited amount of "bigpoints" to the voting system?
E.g. each user would receive one "bigpoint" per week. The bigpoint could be given out to any story/comment and would count like 5(?) normal votes. Unused bigpoints should not accumulate (or only to a small backlog of maybe 2 or 3).
I imagine this might help to make the extra-ordinary content stand out more.
Make username on log in not case-sensitive.
I just spent a while trying to log in because I didnt realize I needed to capitalize my username. I don't think its possible to create two usernames that differ only in capitalization, so Im not sure why case is considered while logging in.
Almost every time when I go to post an "Ask HN" story, I submit and get "deadlink". If there's some kind of CSRF token that's expiring, maybe you can increase the timeout a bit? Or maybe I need to type faster in my "Ask HN" posts...
1. Have it so you can be automatically logged in. I have to manually log in every time I visit the site (using Safari here).
2. Just like Reddit does, show the domain each link belongs to. Reddit has this in brackets after the headline, which works fine. Since I don't have much free time, there are some sites that have sub-par content which I avoid reading, and it helps to know where I would end up without having to hover over the link.
Allow a different "showdead" setting on the "new" page.
I like to browse with showdead on, because it's interesting to see what comments are being posted from dead accounts, or what frontpage stories are killed.
The "new" page, however, is painful with showdead on, because of all the spam.
My ideal would be to browse with showdead on everywhere except the new page.
Perhaps show vertical indentation lines? (Best would be in two or three different styles). In the more popular threads with a lot of comments-on-comments, it gets rather hard to see what that comment down there was actually referring to.
It would be nice to know how the RSS works, and maybe have a way to select articles over a certain threshold via RSS. I use Calibre to fetch HN articles but when i see them through out the day, I can't be sure if I'll get that one later or not.
The page showing the comments of a user should only show each post once. At the moment, if I have a conversation, me1 - you1 - me2 - you2 - me3, then m3 appears first as the most recent, then later me2 downwards, then later still me1 downwards. It's redundant clutter. The only benefit of this arrangement is my most recent posts are first instead of the most recent chain of my posts. I'd prefer the latter.
Right now you either have to submit your less-preferred URL, or browse around and use google to see if the less-preferred URL has already been submitted.
I was wondering if you could add a link to the hacker news homepage to the "Unknown or Expired Link." response that you serve up. Often I'll click more on an old page or hit back on an article I am reading and get this response. My next action is almost always to navigate to the homepage.
Change/Add the/an RSS so that there is a feed with new items first, perhaps with an optional parameter for a minimum point count before it appears on the feed?
As far as I can see, there are two tar pits that Digg and now Reddit are stuck in:
1. Lack of focus and quality:
In my experience, users frequent a site because it has quality content and they leave when the quality of the content declines. Digg and more recently Reddit, are experiencing a loss of focus and quality and as a result are losing their initial users. Diggs quality is so bad it is now pointless to read and much to my chagrin, Reddit seems to be following suit.
Reddit seems to be drowning in a rising tide of noobs. Apparently, there arent enough old users around to down-vote the crap posted by the noobal hoard. From a quick read of comments, it seems many long-time users are angry and feel disenfranchised. Its because of this that those users whose content made Digg and Reddit popular in the first place are now leaving those sites and taking their great ideas with them.
2. No troll guards:
Nothing poisons an online community quicker than a few nasty trolls. Another one of the reasons that Im pulling away from Reddit is because it is getting mean. Both the links that are posted and the article forums are being destroyed by trolls stomping around unchecked. I hope Reddit can fix this problem. If not, Im going to stop spending my time there.
The impression that I get, Paul, is that your goal is to make this YC News a start-up news site and a community of potential founders; not simply another social news site. The only way that I can see to maintain quality content and to filter out the trolls is to institute some form of moderation. Straight democracy leads to anarchy; thats why I think a news site needs to be a republic.
I dont think, by any stretch of the imagination, that Slashdot is perfect, but they do have a system where moderators are selected from heavy and moderate users on a rotating basis. The system filters out new and spam accounts and gives preference to high karma users. It seems to keep the trolls in check. It also encourages people to take more ownership and to participate in the community.
Slashdots FAQ explains their moderation system here:
http://slashdot.org/faq/com-mod.shtml#cm520
There is also a brief discussion of their anti-troll rules here:
http://slashdot.org/faq/com-mod.shtml#cm2000
Thanks for setting up the site. It scratches an itch that Ive had for a while.
Archived posts? Just as there is a news.ycombinator.com/newest, couldn't there be a /oldest? or something along those lines. This website is just a goldmine of information, it seems like it all kinda disappears into black whole
Is there a way to make the links in the submissions (like Ask HN) be clickable after a certain threshold of upvotes? I understand why they shouldn't be links immediately, but if the submission is getting vetted by upvotes I don't see why we can't have clickable links.
It would be nice if links you flagged would be removed from your view. It's sort of strange to have flagged something, come back the next day, and see an upvote arrow with the "Unflag" verb next to it.
Please add an RSS feed for the "new" section as well
Turns out there's a lot of interesting stuff that doesn't get upvoted and so doesn't get to my feed..
Bug or undeveloped feature? Go to edit a comment- above the text box there is a "comment" and "edit" link. The edit one just refreshes the page. The comment link, though, shows... ??? It looks like I can comment on my comment- had a nice "nil" sitting there. I didn't have any replies to the comment I was editing, though, so maybe I would have seen something more?
I would personally like news to come to my mail box. That would ease my process to read the news as I'm checking my mail. A little like what techi.com did.
For some reason, the submit page isn't doing dupe checking anymore-- it doesn't take me directly to the discussion page of the article being resubmitted. This means I have to go back to the homepage and find the article I clicked to find the discussion page.
Also, there's no link to the homepage from the submit page-- clicking the icon takes me to the YC main page, not the news.yc main page.
Categories of topics for hack news for easier discussion and discovery.
If interested in updating your community features and overall style so more appealing and user friendly, please let me know. I would like to bid on the project and share my ideas.
You've set the forground colors for this text entry box and the Submit button to black. That causes the text to be invisible for those of us with light-on-dark systems. Just leave the text color alone for those and it'll work fine for everyone.
One separate Hacker News page for Software Patents News, with every submission that mentions "software patents" automatically diverted to it, and that allows the remaining ten percent of articles to appear on the original Hacker News page.
I'd like to log in with my registered email address and be able to change my username.
And a long shot: Because I can't change my username, I've got a few accounts here under the same email address - I'd like to be able to merge those accounts to preserve my saved posts and points.
Somehow, hackernews handles certain transparent caches badly -- it's the only site I use which has a problem. I'm in Kuwait, unlike 100% of the other hackernews users, and can work around it using a proxy, but periodically I show as logged out, or expired link, or wrong user.
What about a help page with current and in progress and rejected features? (give us a wiki and we'll write it)
I wish a way to sort|filter comments by points, date, etc. exists, but I don't know if I'm the only one. I've tried to search in this thread but I've found nothing looking for "filter" as searching by "points" is impossible (well, possible but futile)
I'm not sure if you could call this a feature. But I see a lot of 'famous' people getting upvoted because people think they are important and should be upvoted. I think it would be interesting to have a feature that can turn of usernames above comments.
Without "mark all unread articles as read" (per-page, say) the flood of articles is unmanageable without reverting back to an rss reader. Yet doing so adds a level of indirection that removes any impulse to rank items, diluting the quality of the article ranking .
Please, I love this UI. Just please add Mark as read/ignore all unread articles on this page
Not sure if this has been asked before, but I'd like to see a feature that alerts us whenever someone either 1) posts a reply to a submission we made (should be optional) and 2) posts a reply to a comment we made on any submission (again, optional). An "alert" can either be an email or a message indicator on the site in the top right corner.
Add "tabindex=1" to the title-link found in every /item pages. Now pressing tab on the comments page selects the link at the top, press enter to follow it.
Some of the top comments on these posts are simply giving the clickable link, which contributes nothing to the conversation. Why not allow links to be clickable in the text field and consequently get rid of all this "spam"?
Add a "hyperlink" option so that when people are discussing on a thread, they can point to other sites more easily. Will make for a cleaner and more efficient way of communicating thoughts.
Like many others here, I read a lot. Consequently, I find that I have already seen many of the links on this site.
With this in mind, you should consider providing a link next to each article that a user could click if he/she has already read this article elsewhere.
This info could then be used to give an idea of how old the article is, and would also perhaps help prevent overlap with reddit/digg, thereby improving the value of your site.
Broken Links: There are many older links in the comments in the form of http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=<num>; which returns an error (like the many comments on this page).
Those old links really should be transparently re-mapped to /item?id=<num> instead.
There's a bug, if you write a title too long (please put a character limit on the text field!) and then enter text in the message body too long, <p> tags appear. When you fix the title length these are inserted as text.
I submitted the Ubuntu 9.04 story today, but the first link I tried to submit was already in the system, from when 7.04 came out. It will really be a problem to submit a link when 9.10 will be available, because it seems all 'good links' were already added. Can there be a recyclation system for links?
I would so like to have all comment threads and sub-threads be collapsible with controls on each entry to control the collapse and expansion of what derives from it.
The help link on the edit post page comes first in the tab order following the TextField. I find myself hitting <tab> <enter> excepting to post the updated comment, but instead I end up on the help page reading an explanation about post formatting.
Please make the UPVOTE (and downvote?) button/s more obvious and usable. I feel like people don't up-vote things simply because they forget that they can!
The base code is available with the arc tarball ( http://arclanguage.org/install ) which will give you all you need to get started. However, any recent changes done to the current live news.arc won't be there, and I suspect there have been some.
The site seems to be working better, though this may be seasonal, so thumbs up pg and rtm for recent changes.
It would be great if the links I've already read either changed colour or moved/were hidden - synchronized by my user account. I currently read HN on my work machine, home machine and phone - so it's hard to know what's new at a glance.
It would be neat if there were a way to view the oldest comments that have been upvoted recently. Sometimes I read old threads and upvote things I missed the first time around. It would be nice to have a way, other than randomness, to see the oldie-but-goodies other people have dug up.
How can I find pages that are in the no-mans-land between top and new? I saw a submission for Trevor's article on languages: http://tlb.org/busywork.html but now I have no way of finding the discussion about it. On reddit the submit bookmarklet would find it with its dup-detection.
Dup detection seems brain dead to implement; is there a deliberate reason news.yc doesn't have it?
Ah, I just realized that it had already been in for a week before parent :}
This was one of those features I was reluctant to experiment on to check on the status of. Perhaps news.yc needs a status page for new features or responses to feature requests here?
I suppose an RSS feed for pg's comments would be one fix.
A hide option, to remove links from the frontpage.
Has been suggested a few time before, but not for a while.
With hiding users get to see more new content on each refresh, and get to ignore their pet annoyances (for me Twitter, Gladwell, the latest tech-net drama). A much nicer user experience all round. Works well on Reddit.
I am moving all my feeds from RSS to Twitter. Is there a Twitter feed with links to all the new stories that are posted to the RSS feed? I don't see a Twitter link on the web page.
Increase the number of saved stories one can save. For some reason I can only save 75 stories on this account, all of the ones I have saved for the last month or so never got recognized on my account.
When I add a comment the edit link expires after a certain amount of time but I can still edit the comment (in a roundabout way). This is more of a bug than a feature. There is a hole that allow people to edit comments even after the link has expired and even thought the edit link no longer appears.
A quick search didn't find anyone else suggesting this, so:
I'd like a link on the page for a particular discussion thread that takes me immediately to the top of the entire discussion (the initial submission, in other words). That way, I don't have to click "parent" twelve times to get there.
I'd like to see downvotes require a comment. Think of it as constructive criticism. I get that someone didn't like what I said, but not why they didn't like it, and thus it is hard to improve or change my style, content, tone, etc.
When a user begins submitting a URI we recognize as similar to one already entered, automatically ask "This might be a dupe. Sure to commit?" and list the similar entries we already know of.
Similar to the "this username is already taken" autocomplete box on many sign-up forms.
It would be handy if medium.com URLs could include the author somewhere - otherwise it's a bit of a crapshoot as to the quality of what you're about to read.
When I reply to a comment, please leave my browser at the point where I replied (like everything else does) rather than moving me to the top of the comments.
Real-time updates so you can see articles moving up and down the home page without refreshing, and automatically update the vote count when you vote on an article
Allow a 2 sentence summary to be displayed below the headline. With cryptic headlines it easy to click on headlines without really knowing whether the story might interest you.
When I search, I get:
sort by: relevance | date | points
and then separately "ascending | descending" -- isn't it better if the relevance | date | points are made "toggles"?
Hi. I'm a student of UNN and here's the school's website(www.unn.edu.ng).Please, I'll like to know more about your website and how I could actually contribute. Thanks.
I would like the ability to note certain profiles of people for future review. Much like upvoting a story saves it for me, I would like to be able to do the same with a person's profile. Call it a "watch this person" feature or something.
highlight the link i just came from briefly and fade the highlight out over a few seconds when i return to the page via back button (or use some approximating heuristic ) ... i like to scan the page multiple times a day and i cant rely on the native highlighting to see the comment link on what i just read because the top stories are re-ordered throughout the day. so i have to scan the page visually for the title of the story. I'm going to make this a browser plugin for myself if you don't do it, but I'd rather everyone have this feature natively....
Re-enable displaying upvotes. It's a great way to see what others think of a certain comment. Without it, considering topics I don't know much about, it's more difficult to know if I'm looking at brilliant insight or FUD.
There are some abuses with new accounts posting self-serving links, e.g. they've existed for 20 minutes and have 1 karma, and have already posted 2 links to exactly the same web site.
New users should be put on a waiting period, and/or need a minimum comment karma level, before being allowed to post.
I think a formatting cheatsheet would be quite useful. I was just commenting a few minutes ago, and I wanted to put some rather large URLs in my comment, but I couldn't figure out the markup to link a text string to the URL. (It's just occured to me that perhaps I should have just tried HTML. If that's the case, I'm stupid.)
The duplicate detector works well, but it would work even better if its string-matching were slightly less exact, so that printer-friendly URLs submitted after canonical URLs would be caught, and if more of the variants of Economist magazine URLs were caught as duplicates.
The service seems to expect a "Host" header, and if 'host' is used, it will return a 301 redirect. Please accept 'host' (lowercase) or be case insensitive as per http spec.
Reddit just added a feature that puts a dotted-line box around the headline you just clicked on, to make it quicker to find the headline to either up or downmod or comment on when you return to Reddit after reading the piece.
A nice feature which would encourage interaction after reading pieces.
Please add a html attribute to the submitted links so the articles displayed in HN open an actual new tab instead of going back and forth between just one page!
HN discarded my comment to a submission I made. It seems commenting your submissions it's not possible anymore. Why? And then why the submission form makes you write a comment just to discard it?
RSS feeds would benefit from the inclusion of the number of points for each article, even better if you also included the names of the commenters (making it easy to look out for comments by particular individuals).
In particular, simply adding the "title" attribute to the HTML "a" tag is enough for many browsers to display a description on mouse-over (i.e. no JavaScript magic required).
So, it might be my browser, but whenever someone uses a British pound or a Euro currency symbol in a comment, it shows up as two ascii characters rather than the desired unicode character.
You might wish to:
1) verify your database and code support unicode
2) use the utf-8 charset for your pages instead of ISO-8859-1
It would be nice to have some buttons. One to report a comment if it does not meet a certain level of discourse- lol I don't know why they down voted you- and the other to collapse threads.
If an article you submit reaches the end of the "new" page with no up votes it decreases your karma by a point. Yah, it would affect me too, but that's irrelevant.
Related, submitting a new article by someone with negative karma not allowed- or maybe the article is assigned that same negative karma that it must overcome...
I don't know about anyone else but when following an outbound link on HN, I always open in a new tab. I was just wondering if it would be a good idea to make this the default for all outbound links?
pg, is there any chance you could implement a basic tagging system for Hacker News comments? Right now there is no way to know if someone has replied to a comment without manually checking.
For example, yesterday the user dweekly submitted a post about his new idea and after my initial comment, told me he would welcome further feedback. A tagging system would, in this example, notify a user like dweekly that someone had made a follow-up comment or reply.
Just got my first down-vote bombing. It'd be nice if there was some sort of detection so that one person could only down-vote another person a couple times within a short period. I had somebody that down-voted everything that I'd posted (in separate threads) that still had down-arrows.
Perhaps karma should decrease with time unless it's "replenished" by upvotes.
The idea is valid because one can "game the moderation system" by having multiple 100+ point accounts and use them do downvote comments they don't agree with while upvoting their own comments.
My upvotes have stopped working. Up arrow goes away and points increment, but on refresh before-points are back?! Consistently on comments, not always on submissions.
(Downvotes not used yet :-)
Safari 4.0.4, OS X
I have the same problem although I think when you see the submissions vote go up it's someone else since they get voted on a lot more than individual comments. For me it's both in chrome and firefox (in Win 7) so I don't think it's the browsers faulth and I noticed it for the first time maybe a 15-30 days ago. I'm guessing one of three things are happening:
1) We banned from voting as the moderators doesn't seem to tell people when they moderate.
2) pg is running an experiment.
3) It's a bug.
I agree that there needs to be a place to report malfunctions. It would also be nice to know when a moderator takes action against you.
Same had happened to me. My guess is that not informing you that you can't vote is intentional. It's like making troll comments disappear but not letting the troll know.
Since the only way (from what I can tell) of retrieving your password is to contact pg it would be nice with contact information somewhere. I'd like to have the password reset for my account nop, to the email I put down in the info of that account.
I would like to see the servce ingboo.com used on this site. Their tool allows you to take rss updates to any channel you want like facebook,twitter,email,igoogle,etc. Its a free tool and would make readers lives easier.
It may be nice to add scrollbars (with CSS, probably) to longer comments, so that "popular" threads take up less space. Or, just have a collapse mechanism.
This makes it easier to scroll past the end of the indented thread to find the next top-level comment.
Please convert newlines to <br/>s in posts/comments. This is nearly always what is expected and there appears to be no other way to insert single line breaks. It's been about a decade since I saw a browser that didn't line wrap textareas.
Please change the vote icon.. it looks just like the expand/collapse icon in OSX.. The indented replies make it even more confusing. Either that or get Apple to change theirs :p
Improve layout and font sizes for mobile experience. Currently it's pretty rough, barely usable from iPhone or android phone.
Or tell me how to send a pull request...
Thanks :)
I'd like it if a duplicate submission could be counted as a vote.
I often submit articles that have already been submitted. There's no vote button on the "this has already been posted" page, and it's often hard to sift through the "new" page to search for the article link to vote it up.
I'd like a way to see which of my comments have recently been upvoted or commented on. There are times (like right now) that I see my karma jump, and I get curious what got upvoted, but I don't see anything different on my comments page.
When editing a post, pressing <tab> from within the text-input box changes the focus to the "Help" link instead of the "Submit" button. Can this please be changed, because it's slightly disconcerting and not <strike>user</strike> hacker-friendly?
Have a background lookup of the URL and/or title, so that before you hit Submit on an item, it can tell you in the submit page whether the item has already been submitted (something with the same URL or same/almost-same title).
As posted in another thread: Please add a view of only startup / site review threads.
Also please change the way 'threads' view is sorted to bring the most recent thread to the top, meaning my most recent post in a thread of comments rather than my most recent root comment.
Please open the links in separate browser tab by default. To retain current behavior (compatibility ;-)), provide a configuration option in user profile.
Use the same text color for comment links as comment text, so that a spam post heavily downvoted doesn't have the spam links still in black and even more visible.
Local subdomains, or groups, a-la craigslist. E.g. toronto.ycombinator.com, or somesuch.
I understand YCombinator's rationale for having founders move to Boston, or the Valley.
That said, it might be great for you guys to get local footholds, where people can meet, organize, find co-founders, etc., before deciding to seek YC funding.
Ability to view my own comment history. When I click on someone else's user id, I see their comments. When I click on my own, all I see are my preferences.
Edit: correction, I guess the user pages show just submissions and not comments, for any user. So I guess I'm requesting comment history.
Anything that appears after two newlines and a blank space is treated as code, till there's a line that doesn't begin with a space. This is like the markdown convention, but you don't have to use four spaces; one will do.
Incidentally, the code above tells me the number of nodes in the code tree of a file. Not just leaves, which would be
(len (flat (readall (infile file))))
but interior nodes as well. To me this is the best measure of how long a program is. I used to go by lines of code
(def codelines (file)
(w/infile in file
(summing test
(whilet line (readline in)
(test (aand (find nonwhite line) (isnt it #\;)))))))
but I found this was encouraging me to do the wrong things.
(This kind of test matters because I'm constantly trying to make news.yc shorter as a way of pushing functionality down into Arc.)
Here's trav, btw:
(def trav (f base tree)
(if (atom tree)
(base tree)
(f (trav f base (car tree)) (trav f base (cdr tree)))))
It traverses a tree, doing something at every node. So e.g. CL copy-tree would be
If you're wondering how the second argument to trav in codetree could be 1, it's because a constant when called as a function simply returns itself. This turns out to be quite handy.
I like the abbreviations you're using. "w/" in particular is extremely readable. And who wouldn't love a function call (isnt it #\;) in real code. #\; looks a little bit like Perl walked into the middle of your Arc program though.
I'm no lisp hacker, so that part stood out to me as particularly hard to understand in comparison to the rest of the code which was perfectly clear to me. I had to re-read it a number of times to figure out what it meant; obviously, if I was at all familiar with lisp I would have had no trouble with it.
Is Arc going to support concurrency and/or manycore systems?
The original writing(s) on Arc assumed a free lunch that would continue for decades (justifying a lack of emphasis on scalability and efficiency in implementation, I thought), which already seems kind of naive. You can already buy 8-core systems from Apple, mang. It's the future.
It has threads and a way to say a chunk of code should be executed atomically. No more than that at the moment. Nor is there any explicit notion of a processor. I'm not sure how that will turn out.
I think that's all you need for version 1.0. All the bleeding-edge concurrency abstractions like software transactional memory are only that: abstractions. Henning is right that they're going to become increasingly important in the future, but as long as you have threads and atomicity as building blocks, you should be able to do all the rest in the macro system.
Just make sure that some concurrency package eventually becomes a de facto standard. Getting C libraries that use different threading implementations to interoperate is a nightmare, and I'd hate to see Arc go the same route.
In general, combining multiple packages that each attempt to perform concurrent operations is error prone, especially if they use locking. The STM papers make an interesting argument for why using transactions rather than locks as the typical concurrency primitive leads to concurrent programs that can be more easily composed.
On that note, you might take a glance at the lightweight concurrency paper; it proposes a new concurrency runtime for GHC, basically moving most of the implementation into Haskell, with just a thin layer of primitives in the RTS. Interestingly, those primitives don't include locks, but instead a very minimal transactional memory.
That's why it's really nice to see that Arc has threads and an atomic-execution mechanism. GHC-style Software Transactional Memory would be a natural fit, and it seems to scale very well.
In On Lisp, you mentioned that implementing continuations with closures via transformation to CPS could be accomplished by writing a code walker, but that this would be a "serious undertaking" in Common Lisp.
This struck me at the time and ever since as painful, but understandable. Macros aren't first-class objects in CL, so the code you're walking through could be very complex due to macro-expansion, and I could be wrong, but I don't remember if the resulting code would necessarily contain clues that tell us what macro generated it, etc.
Could one assume (and it is definitely an assumption, or speculation, not a deduction from what you've given us here!) that it would be much simpler in Arc? Say, a page or so of code?
I could make it as easy as I wanted to write a codewalker, by changing the language where necessary. But it's not a priority right now. I haven't been doing anything where I felt I needed a codewalker.
Hmmm. I guess I could also ask "What does readall do?" and go on speculating to myself, but the stuff above is what I really want to know. Once I've defined something (macro, function), what does it look like in Arc? Is its structure, either before or after macroexpansion, available to play cute little tricks with?
I'll stop asking questions now. I feel I'm reaching the limits even of assumption and might start getting silly. (For instance: "Could I write a function that let me select nodes within a loaded function using CSS Selector syntax?", but that's just silly so I won't ask it).
Sorry for asking obtuse questions obtusely. Let me try this way:
How much would codetree need to change to accept a function or macro as input instead of a file, and produce output that is similarly meaningful? (Not at all, a little bit, a lot).
Sorry again for poor question quality, and to harp on what increasingly appears to be an unimportant point.
I assume by taking a fn as input you mean taking a fn whose return values would become the input. That would not be hard, but the clean way to do it would be to modify read so that it could take a fn as an argument.
> constant when called as a function simply returns itself.
I thought a sequence at a procedure position acted like aref, e.g. ("abc" 1) => #\b, right? So the automatic promotion of constant to constant-function occurs only for non-aggregate types?
I love the idea of startups, but I've got the wanderlust. During the part of the year where I have net access, I watch ycombinator closely, and I'm not really hoping to see startup news.
I have some questions about arc if you don't mind :)
Why 'whilet instead of 'while and why 'aand instead of 'and?
I thought one of your aims was to produces a minimal set of "axiomatic" operators (functions, macros, special forms) which gave the maximum utility. So couldn't these be generalized into a single operator?
Also, isn't ")))))))" overkill for such a simple function, Can reader macros be defined within lisp? (like if you wanted to make } close all parenthesis up to the top level for example)
They're different from while and and: whilet is a combination of while and let that binds its first argument to the result of the test. aand binds the result of successive tests to "it" for use in succeeding tests.
))))))) isn't overkill to Lisp hackers. Lisp hackers
read code by indentation and rarely notice the parens, especially terminating ones. There have been dialects (Franz Lisp) that used ] to close off all open parens, but it would be a waste to use up a good char like ] to fix a non-problem.
I expect that ] to close all open parens would lead to code that is even tighter jammed to the left margin. I like that I feel comfortable writing nested code in Lisp, and if I was always looking for somewhere to put a ] I'd be tempted not to write nested code, and hence start leaking private identifiers.
Arc has a bunch of iteration constructs. It's iteration-friendly. Most previous Lisps have been ambivalent about iteration, because their designers didn't like side effects.
The usual Lisp do macro, for example. What a wretched bit of language design. Even now, whenever I encounter one, I have to stop and translate it in my head. Plus it can be very verbose. The reason do is so bad is that whoever designed it wanted to make it as functional (in the no-side effect sense) as possible. But sometimes side effects are just the right model.
BTW, there is a do in Arc. It's the new name for what used to be called progn. (It's surprising how much better that little change makes code look.)
Does Arc have an API for iterating across general types of data structures? The classic example is lists and arrays; in Common Lisp, supporting both can be a hassle and the language itself seems ad hoc when the issue arises. MAP supports both, but MAPCAR doesn't; the LOOP macro has seperate "IN" and "ACROSS" syntax, and no (standard) way to extend this to user-defined data types.
I'm assuming "it" is an implicit variable meaning the result of the last expression. I'm also assuming since you have "isnt" you also have "is" and it's used like this:
(when (and (regex-match "[0-9]" foo) (is it 4))
(print "it is 4"))
Does boundp exist in Arc, or are unset variables null? I've always thought making them null would make code shorter, though it might cause more problems than it's worth.
Since I haven't used a language where unset variables are null or tried to design one, I'll assume you're right. I haven't had to use boundp much in Lisp, but I've had to use its equivalents in other languages quite a bit when working on other people's code for money. I suspect that boundp showing up in code a lot is a sign of badness - most likely in the choice of variable scope. I'm not sure if leaving it out will encourage people to write better code or just write their own workarounds.
Edit: aand binding test results to "it" reminds me of Apple's Hypercard. I will read the entire thread carefully before asking questions next time.
Arc seems to take a very implicit approach to things - rather unlike Python. I haven't written anything non-trivial in Python, but it looks like the problem with the list formatting operator is that it's an infix operator that depends on similar looking characters (paren and square bracket) for its syntax. I think it might be less confusing as a function or method:
Looking at it on the screen, making it a method call looks far less confusing. Arc treating constants and sequences as functions doesn't seem like the same kind of thinking to me.
This will eliminate the confusing difference in the treatment of of tuples and lists when formatting a string. I think it's more clear, although I imagine some people will complain that "format" takes longer to type out than "%".
Perhaps I should've elaborated a little. Here's a follow-up that I posted on reddit:
both of them violate the user model in subtle ways[1]. Most people don't expect numbers to act as functions. If a bug crops up because of it, more than likely they won't check to see if that's the problem. Again, I'm not against brevity. Just don't make functionality implicit in situations when the programmer isn't expecting it. If you use it so much, use a symbol prefix like `--I don't care. Just make it explicit.
In python's case, it's because it treats tuples and lists differently. Tuples and lists are almost always identical in python. The user's assumption is that they will also be identical in this case, when in fact they aren't.
[1] User interface design is surprisingly helpful when designing programming languages. It's fairly obvious why, but most people don't realize it.
As far as you're thinking in procedural mind, probably there seems to be a big difference between constants and procedures (functions).
Once you are converted to functional mind, difference between a constant and a function that returns a constant is very subtle. When you use combinators a lot, you no longer think functions as something "invoked" or "called" in the similar sense as in procedural languages.
A possible pitfall in this case is that Arc is dynamically typed language. I usually program in Scheme, but when I'm passing function-returning-function-returning-...-functions around a lot, sometimes the 'one-function-level-off' error becomes hard to track down. Implicitly promoting a numeric constant into a constant function possibly delays catching this bug (since it masks the function level difference) but I doubt that it makes situation much worse. I think optional type declarations and type inference would be a lot of help.
It's not really a procedural vs. functional distinction - I'm fluent in Haskell and had the same initial reaction as cwarren. Rather, Arc is "weakly typed". The same bit of program data can be interpreted as different types depending upon the context where it's used. (This is distinct from strong-but-dynamic-typing like in Scheme or Python, where you have to explicitly convert between types.) It joins the club of Perl, PHP, and assembly in this regard.
I mentioned elsewhere on this thread that I think this is the right design decision given Arc's design principles, but that those design principles are flawed. In my experience, bugs resulting from implicit coercions are rare, but they're also really difficult to track down. That was a major reason I switched from PHP to Python.
OK, I stand corrected. Statically-typed minds also frown on this. It might be only Lispers that feel differently (after all, they've been conflating an empty list, a boolean false, and a symbol NIL and insisting it's the right thing).
>User interface design is surprisingly helpful when designing programming languages.
I don't know why this is surprising (though I don't dispute that most people find it so). I think both Python and Arc pay a lot of attention to this principle, though their philosophies on the subject are quite different. I agree that allowing constants to be called as functions could be a source of bugs. It also seems like it could be, as PG says "quite handy". I'll have to see for myself when Arc is released.
Arc is supposed to be a LFSP. Smart people adjust their user model to the tools they have available (right?), so it's at least consistent with Arc's design principles.
It's not the choice I would've made - I tend to agree with you that "explicit is better than implicit". But languages all have to make certain assumptions about who their users are (same with UIs, really), and this design decision is consistent with Arc's previously-stated design philosophy.
Very Interesting ! - especially the idea of using a count of the parse tree to optimize the language. Can you tell us anything about how well (or if) Arc is converging to a potentially releasable state?
It's even simpler than that. I changed function application so that if the first element of the expression is a simple type (e.g. a number), it just gets returned.
That's cool enough. Though, potential spot for allowing subtle bugs? If I'm tossing around what I believe is a function (but instead happens to be a simple type, maybe even like #f or something), when I apply it I'd prefer to get a runtime error instead of a silent value return.
Having a more dense language inevitably means that more programs turn out to be accidentally meaningful. If the power of a programming language is the inverse of how long programs are (which is the best definition I've found so far), you can't make a language more powerful without the space of meaningful programs becoming denser.
Having a more dense language inevitably means that more programs turn out to be accidentally meaningful. Since Arc is designed to be an LFSP, that trade-off is worth it.
Something like a "code" tag that you can put around sections of your comment, and within these tags, the formatting will be left alone. This is supposed to be a technical news site after all, so I think this should be pretty high-priority. Thanks!
Add the on: [root_hn_url] link to comment metadata when viewing a single comment.
Rational: when viewing a single commment for whatever reason, you often want to see all comments. Currently you have to click through the chain of parents, which is annoying.
Add a way to contact another user directly, not necessarily Personal Message, maybe something along the lines of sending an email address from one user to another privately.
The current method seems to be posting your email address in the comments with something like, "Hey, email me about that . . ."
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Can we build a local community out of YC news? Currently YC is focus is the US. For the RestOfWorld, can we have a country/city page that links to a local startup website or a yahoo/google groups page?
This would to some extent help facilitating potential co-founders -- since that's a constant them on this board.
I'd like to be able to hide techpolitics. I don't care about piracy. I don't care about the latest torrentfreak.com gossip piece. I cared about SOPA, but not the gossip.
Can you please add a link to the comments page to the RSS feed with each Article. Then the article's link would go the the site and the content would include a link to the comments. Also, the number of comments should be displayed. This would integrate the RSS more tightly into the site.
I find it totally confusing as to how to post a comment. You really need to have some instructions, it is completely unobvious. I ended up posting the same thing three times because the comment never seemed to show up and then deleted the second and third ones.
For link-bait titles, I look at the comments first to see if other people considered the article worth reading. This information could be exposed by displaying the ratio of clicks on the link vs clicks on the discuss link.
On the submit page, have a way to enter the URL and see if it has already been submitted, without having to devise a clever title. Once you are satisfied it is new, you then think about a title.
It would be more interesting if news.ycombinator.com also checked if a URL was directly linked from a previously submitted URL; the URL was from the same site as the previously submitted URL.
Before you could commit a new submission news.ycombinator.com would present a list of matches (in descending order by date) so that you could compare what you are about to submit versus what is already submitted.
I'd like to see the New York Times and some other major outlets blacklisted from submission. At this point the front page is about 10% NYT most of the time, which seems silly for something that's supposed to be a focused site.
The ability to search by URL. This would make it easier to ensure that the link you're about to submit hasn't already been posted and cut down on the number of duplicate links on HN.
This is a complaint - I am really really* tired of double and triple entries in your Twitter feed for the same stories/articles. It really pollutes my timeline. Please fix this. Thanks.
After clicking on either the up-arrow or down-arrow on comments, only that single arrow should disappear, not both. Then, you can always at least cancel out your vote if you clicked the wrong one.
1. Search function, so i can search for a story-- over time, not just on a single page
2. please explain how the point system works. do the points go with the author or article,and how do some articles have more than others?
Users often say "My email is in my profile" since they assume the email field in their profile is visible by others. I would make the labels more specific as to what is public/hidden.
Would really like to see a feature for forgot password! If there is one, please let me know as I have misplaced my password to my only/favorite news site.
I read Hacker News via the RSS feed in Google Reader.
Looks like the comments link disappeared yesterday.
Not sure if Hacker News changed or Google Reader changed, but I think this can be fixed by putting the comments link inside a <description> element in the HN RSS feed.
I could not find a place where I could provide feedback with respect to your rss feedback. It returns text/html rather than text/xml which results in chrome misbehaving (adding all elements to <head> tag)
I'd like an explanation of what all the things on your profile page do. I think it's mostly covered, but what does "delay" do? Measured in seconds, minutes, or what? Even just a mouse-over would help.
>There's a new "delay" field in your profile that lets you specify the delay (in minutes) between when you create a comment and when it's visible to others; this was added because many users edit comments immediately after posting them.
I would really like ycombinator to be supported by the Sociable plugin - I don't think it takes too much to get it added, and the plugin is automatically updated every week on WordPress blogs.
Profile karma average doesn't seem to work as I'd expect. Despite numerous recent posts and comments with points well above my previous average, the average has gone down.
Using character entities, e.g. & to give an &, works on submitting the comment, but editing the comment populates the form's area with an unescaped ampersand causing corruption on submitting the form. Encoding and decoding needs to be symmetrical.
I'd like to be able to login from my G1. It seems like it works, but the session doesn't want to stay active. When I upvote something it calls for a login, and then upvotes the item, but then I'm no longer logged in.
One great feature would be the ability to mark/bookmark threads as favorites and then to view them listed under my avatar. I can use browser bookmarks for this, but this would really help IMHO.
"showdead" should allow me to follow links in killed submissions. Right now I can see the title of the dead links, but there is nothing I can click on to actually go to the page which was originally linked.
Allow users to choose to either add a comment or add a sub-link to the primary link. It's amazingly common to have great links burried in the comments. It would be great if there was a way to have them show up near the top, under the primary link.
Why not do a Y Combinator feature similar to Kiva? Members of the community can post information about their startup idea, and then people can give out micro-loans or micro-investments.
I'm addicted to HN. One little gripe ... can you have the links from the news list open into new tabs or windows? Makes it easy to return to the HN menu. Thanks!!!
I would like some way to "flag" a dead post for revival. Every so often I see a dead link that in my opinion should not be dead. You could use the flag link on dead posts for this.
Ability to find out if the new article that I am posting has already been posted in the past or not. I wanted to post a few articles from venture blog but before posting I searched on Google using "title of article + news.ycombinator" as a query.
I think it'd be cool if the procrastination cutoff didn't work until after you've had a chance to edit a comment. maybe a "but at least let me edit existing comments" checkbox.
remove the karma count in the upper right corner of the landing page.
every single time I go to the site I unconsciously eyeball that karma count to see if it went up or down. it can be very distressing and distracts me from the content of the articles. would prefer some other kind of notification method that someone may have replied to my posts.
Please move the comment form to the bottom of the page.
It frees up space at the top of the page for already posted comments and It would encourage reading or at least skimming through previous comments before adding a new one.
please use some kind of user distinction feature like auto generated distinct picture boxes for every user. I'm a person who does not give much attention to the posters' identity while reading over net. And with small in-distinctive user names used over HN makes me think every post or comment is anonymous. This makes my HN experience less valued.
Please add some text in the body of the RSS feed. All I see is a subject line and an empty body. Sometimes that's not enough to determine if the post is interesting enough.
I'd like to see the comment ordering algorithm reflect the interestingness of the replies subtree. I'd like to see a 1 point comment with a 20 point reply above a 3 point comment.
Today I ended up with something getting double posted and this struck me as odd since it was always such a basic feature on many other community services such as forums. In the past I also recall being shadow-banned temporarily for a double post.
Over the years, I've noticed a lot of people on Hacker News using underscores for emphasis, like _this_, instead of asterisks, like this. How about supporting both?
More of a bug report than a feature request. When logging in with OpenID, it doesn't seem to like HTTPS urls. I tail my Apache access logs and see no requests...
Can you please increase the size of the 'Comments' links under each posting? I often click on the comments first to determine if I want to proceed to the actual article.
Is anyone ever going to fix the Facebook Connect login setup? Is there anywhere to report bugs where they are actually see or do we just rely on someone finding it here?
When posting a reply to a comment, have the page center on your new post via an #anchor. This refreshes the other reply links on the page and makes it easier to find your place again on the page.
I would like the ability to save stories in situ. But, most of all I would like for all of our comments to be saved. Unless I missed the next button, I noticed that only relatively recent comments are stored.
Podcast/Justin.tv covering top articles and ask HNs of the week, Showcases new developments or ideas from the community, interviews past/present YC founders.
A setting in my profile which specifies the maximum width a line of text can be. Reading the long lines is annoying, but i like to keep my browser maximized for other purposes.
When I click the "More" link and the page is expired, I'd rather have it go to the latest next page than have to backup and refresh the page. Could be a pref.
I'd love a point threshold thats configurable on the RSS, so that I can put hacker news back into my rss reader without worrying about massive amounts of pollution.
Mention in the profile page that "email" field is not visible to the public and that the users have to type it in the "about" section if they want to publish it.
the interface of the comment page should be more friendlier/organised. the reply comments should be folded/hidden so that if we like the comment and want to see what other people reply to this awesome/crappy comment i can do that by clicking a button and all the reply will be shown, everything should not be visible since it is very time consuming if there are more comments on a topic.
clickable links when people choose to post text. It's annoying to have to read a description of a site, where they put the blah.com, and then have to go and copy-paste the link to see the page. It's common for the "Ask HN" pages to have questions pertaining to a startup. Then, the person is forced to make a comment with a clickable link.
A way to find all your comments that are above or below (> >= < <=) a certain karma value. Or at least, a way to see all your posts that have less than 0 karma.
When a user flags a post, please immediately hide the story from them. This will help lower their blood pressure. They can see it again by turning on ShowDead.
+ collapse threads
+ passwd recovery
+ search
+ ability to bookmark interesting articles/posts
+ rss/per user subscriptions
+ rss subscriptions for the different lists
The RSS feeds are pretty primitive -- they have only the title! This makes them almost useless. It would also be nice to have a lower volume feed of only the highly ranked posts.
Recently I have seen the proportion of weak submissions become very high, high enough that I think a down vote arrow for submissions to help weed out content would be beneficial.
A Digg feature that checks if you've already submitted a link twice, or one similar to it (base it off the title of the article, or base it off the description entered by the user).
It would be great to have a RSS for the saved items. Just to aggregate them in FriendFeed.
If it is already possible, I'm sorry, I don't have found it.
Can the RSS feed have a link to the yc comment thread as well as to the submitted story ?
Often I find the comment threads a lot more useful than the story itself.
when creating an account, please have a second password field for confirmation. Without that, it is far too easy to fat finger the password when creating an account.
Though restricting the site to invitation only isn't a good idea.
Letting people invite friends that they know would be interested
from inside the site would be convenient.
I second this. I have this option turned on in reddit, and it keeps me from accidentally navigating away from reddit. I keep clicking on links here and by the time I read the article, I forget to press back instead of close, causing some frustration.
Same issue it's always had, that most websites are configured to accept more than one unique URL, with minor alterations. Often it's something like "?source=twitter" on the end, or "#top". In the case you linked to, one has a trailing slash and the other doesn't.
When the ending asterisk of an italics block is at the end of a URL, the first asterisk gets converted to <i> but the ending asterisk is included in the URL rather than being converted to </i>, resulting in the rest of the comment being italicized.
I think this was mentioned by pg earlier (I'm putting it here so it doesn't get forgotten), but auto generating a link when an URL is posted would be very handy.
Not sure I've parsed your grammar correctly, but rewarding the community for participation by letting them downvote only when they reach 20 karma is a good thing.
Also, downvoting past 1 karma in general is a bad thing. It adds bias to the comment for future readers.
It really seems like downvoting in its current form is fine, and if any changes need to be made then capping downvoting at 1 karma might be a good idea.
You mean down-voting past 1 points? Why it add bias for future readers?
I also don't see why you need to reward the community. The right to down vote is not different from the right to up vote, and any user should have it. Up vote is simply "I want more of this", and down vote "I want less of this".
The same machinery used for up-votes of bad links can be applied to down-votes of good links, so you can protect the site from general stupidity.
Well, when you downvote, you're really saying "The community should have less of this", not "I want less of this". Karma is global, not different depending on which user looks at it.
Therefore, if the community has deemed a comment as stupid (karma < 1), any future readers will read the comment through tinted glasses. But wait a minute, the community really hasn't said that. It was only one or two users that did.
Let's reexamine the purpose of karma on a comment. The purpose is not simply to punish the poster of a comment if it gets downvoted. It's to move the noise down to the bottom of the thread, where it can be ignored.
So I propose an alternative: Let silly comments stay at the bottom with one karma point, and encourage users to upvote more interesting comments higher. This way, users won't be biased against any comments (They won't know if a comment has been downvoted because it might simply be that no one has upvoted it) and the noise can still stay at the bottom.
The problem is that each vote change the number of points, so if you happen to be the first down-voter, it will become zero. But if another user up-voted the same item just before you, then your vote change nothing.
I seems that reddit solved this problem by not showing the number of points for new messages.
There could be a "new" status, marked in a special way, which explain why you vote it not showing. After enough users voted, and using the editor vote to change the weight of other votes, move the item to voted status, and show its point count.
Right now, the threads page is sorted by the creation time of the leftmost comment (I think). Could it instead be sorted by the creation time of the most recent comment in the thread?
to fight the lowering quality of comments, maybe you could make a meta-comment feature to describe what is wrong with the way they commented (as opposed to the content itself)
maybe making it public would stop people from making repeatedly bad comments.
BUG: If you submit a comment, you are returned to the page you were commenting. But if you refresh that page, the comment is re-submitted.
A "no-cache" and an expire header of the submit request page would avoid this problem.
a way to distinguish seen and new comments - HN is awesome especially because of the informative discussions that are going on so I often end up returning to a particular discussion over and over again.
copy google reader....except don't delete things I haven't read that are 2 weeks old, and allow me to mark all items unread in a feed I just subscribed to...so I can read old posts when I have time....
that's more of a bug (or a misunderstanding on my part..) - if I try to upvote an entry without being logged in, HackerNews thinks that I already voted for it once I log in.
j.mp is a url shortener that should be removed - or whatever your policy is for url shorteners. You could just follow the link in the post submission process.
currently working on my own reader and it looks like this is not implemented: so i need to parse the feed every time, instead of fetch from the db when etag is unchanged.
title: How to make a demo that people will truly consider
description: Gives good tips on the small things that keep people interested in your demo.
This would result in --
<a href="http://howtowriteagoodemo.com/consider.html" title="Gives good tips on the small things that keep people interested in your demo.">How to make a demo that people will truly consider</a>
tl;dr: Let any user add any tag/category to any article, allow each user to up/down vote each tag once (to increase categorization quality), and allow all users to filter HN articles by tag - and tag properties.
Result: When we have only a short time, we see only the types of article that most interest us. When we have more time, we can browse through new or untagged or little tagged articles and apply/vote tags.
Why? Because HN and the HN community are good at curating articles of interest, and I cannot find a better community for suggesting the types of article I'm interested in, but that type is, broadly, off topic.
Longer version, more rationale, details....
I wandered into HN when I was a hackerpreneur - but I'm not anymore.
I stay because of the high quality of articles and comments - but the articles I'm mostly interested in are not about hacking code or hardware or startups, they're about cognition, hacking the mind, pedagogy, etc. Ya know, the off topic stuff.
But the real off topic gems tend to drown in a sea of on topic stuff.
So I spend a fair amount of time filtering through the first four or five pages of stories every day, looking for those non-coding&&non-startup gems that spark my interest. I'd like technology and crowd-sourcing to make this easier for me....
Let anyone add a tag/category to a story, e.g., hardhack, softhack, hardknocks, cognition, mindhack, etc. - AND let everyone vote up/down the tag/category: Voting tags would make them fluid and make the most sensible ones apply to any story.
(The most popular tags, or the most commonly used ones, would populate a dynamic list - this would allow the tag system to grow organically.)
Next, let me filter HN by tag/category, using as many/few as I want. Or none.
I'll start viewing with filters turned on and find recent stories of interest. When there are none (or not enough for this period of distraction), I'll look through recent untagged (or little tagged) stories, and apply tags, or up/down vote tags.
In other words, when I have little time, and need a distraction, I'll find one on topic for me; when I have more time, I'll help manage tagging so that you find one for you, next time you need one.
(Why am I not a hackerpreneur anymore? Well, that's off topic, but tl;dr? My values and interests have changed as I near the big 5-0, I'm not completely enamored of my current gig - IT security consulting - and I've come to realize I don't really want to start or run a business. So I'm irrationally edging back into undergrad studies in a very different field from my original studies... ...but I'm still here because of the very high signal/noise ratio.)
But I want to write a comment on someone's page... to contact him/her or ask about something.
Something like the "Wall" on Facebook.
And users would choose if they want to enable their "wall" or not... so they would have control over this... if they want people to write to them or not!
I want to be notified when someone replies to one of my comments - not stories!
Just a message box that would appear on the page that someone replied to one of my comments.. and this message box should appear only when there are new replies... along with links to the specified comments!
I think it's a bad idea. Threads basically "die" for me when they fall off the bottom of my "Comments" link --- or, at most, when they get one or two "More" clicks past that page.
This is helpful, because after a few days of participating in a thread, the quality of my responses degrades, and the number of people reading it declines.
I feel like time-limited discussions are part of the culture here.
(I'm aware of the irony. I just saw the timestamp.)
Less punishment for controversial comments in controversial topics.
Difficult to explain. In short, I actually have a six years old account with karma in the top 100, but today I wouldn't be allowed into HN anymore. I temporarily disabled my main account for productivity reasons a couple of months ago, and since then I created 3 new accounts when I was drawn into controversial discussions. After a good start, two of them were hellbanned, both times rather to my surprise (that's why I am on the 3rd now). I don't expect this one to last very long either.
I felt a bit guilty for taking part in controversial topics, but at least I figured the controversy stayed in those threads. I am not a troll, merely somebody who wants to understand things as objectively as possible and therefore is not always aligned with the mainstream opinion.
I was going to suggest to ban controversial topics rather than controversial users, but since that would sadly involve all topics involving female coders that is probably not workable. So perhaps an idea would be to punish controversial comments less if they appear within controversial topics? I assume I was hellbanned because I received too many downvotes, or maybe the majority of mods just don't like me.
I'm sure I won't be missed, and perhaps all is working as you want it to be. I don't think we really can escape our own filter bubble. But HN is pretty much my only news source, so naturally it saddens me that today I apparently am not welcome anymore - and probably lots of other people feel the same.
1- When logged in comments and submissions (by logged in user) should be highlighted in a distinctive colour.
2- Comment karma should be shown publicly rather than privately. ie each comment should show value.
3- Comments within a thread should be able to be sorted by comment score.
4- Submitted links for same news stories should share karma points. Several times you submit the same story only to see someone else collect karma hours later.
5- Increase transparency on how comments ranking works.
6- Increase transparency on max submissions and comments allowable per day.
There is something funny that I really wish to see here... but it's not essential.
I want to see kind of analytical tool for my karma.. and see how I am doing!
Let me explain: Can you program a tool that would draw charts of your karma history... so you can see if your karma is raising or not? And it would be great if you can let the users choose to display their karma in specific dates!
There is something more advanced also... Can you analyze the topics that user is writing about that helped him in increasing his karma?
Also recommend a stories for the user to comment on... that's related to the user's interested topics based on his/her previous comments.
I think this is hard somehow... because it needs so much of analyzing, data mining... and some logical factors to work with!
Please implement proper pagination. The "Unknown or expired link." message when clicking "More" after being on the page for a few minutes is frustrating.
I would like to see a search feature pg, I have seen searchyc, however I would like to see search integrated.
Today for example, I used Google to search (I learned of searchyc while searching for "search" :) in this discussion - after trying Google) and it brought up what I was looking for (discussion of your History of T essay) in the results, however, Google did not provide a link to the discussion, apparently only a link to the main page was indexed. It was only after using searchyc that I found it . . . and a link to the essay as well, as I did not see it under essays on your site. I was looking for both because I saw them yesterday or the day before yet was in a hurry . . .
Well this is NOT a feature request. I wanted to report a bug and couldn't find a place to do so.
Hacker new site doesn't open in Firefox 3.5.9. Is this a known issue? The HTTP response headers seem to be the reason behind this bug. This is what the headers look like -
TTP/1.1 200 OK
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Cache-Control: private
Connection: close
Cache-Control: max-age=0
Notice the missing "H" in the first line. Firefox fails to understand this response and dumps the entire HTML as Text. I saw this bug 3 weeks ago and am surprised that it hasn't been fixed yet.
1) For fairness and effectiveness concerns, on the top news pages, please display a number of news according to energy thresholds, energy being the same variable used to determine the position of a news.
2) Please put a mark on the last clicked news so we can vote or discuss it (often a dozen minutes after) without having to look through plenty of tiny moving gray links.
EDIT 1): the right term must not be energy but odds. Please display on a page a news amount according to an odds threshold (and maybe a minimum of 30 news, it's not a problem in this way for us, maybe it is for you). Anyway, thx.
Annotations for submissions. Just a couple sentences telling what the submission is about. Titles are often obscure, so you cannot determine whether a submission is even worth your attention without opening and reading it. Given the rate of submissions on HN this may be really time wasting.
Set a background color on textareas and inputs. You set a dark text color but not a background and it makes the site unusable for people with dark-coloured themes: your dark text is rendered atop my black background.
A phoenix-like quality where ongoing arguments are pushed up according to popularity ... or at least featured on the side in a box somewhere, like, "most active discussions".
To prevent any abuse to the story's title... why don't you make a curl/wget request to the URL that a user is submitting, and get the title of that URL/page automatically?
So... user won't have any control over the title when submitting a link.
In fact I need this feature.. because I am tired of copying the title of the story that I submit! :(
What do you think?
Hey,
This story has more than 660 comments on it, it takes many seconds to load, and it does not load completely!
I can't see the whole comments...the page stops loading!
Why don't you devide the comments to several pages? So you would display something like 100 comments per page.. and you click next to display the next 100, if any!
That would be better... page would load faster... and things would be fine!
Gray text on a light gray background is very hard to read. See for yourself: http://www.fastnlight.com/contrast.html
Black text on a white background please, or make the gray text/gray background style something I can turn off.
Thanks.
It would be great on long comment threads if I could tell which comments are new, possibly by changing the alpha slightly for newer comments (relative to the age of the post). If the change in alpha was very subtle it wouldn't be distracting and I could easily scan for new comments.
When adding comments via Android to the textbox, it is a nightmare, I have to resort to writing my post in a NotePad and copy pasting. An Android app. I can write one up for you if you need to. Im alost ready to write one myself and ad it up.
If i can see all the people who are online and discuss with them( basically chatting ) about my ideas, my opinions about a particular post would be a great feature.
Allow a url AND descriptive text on new submissions. Otherwise, the submitter must also write a comment immediately after posting a url simply to elaborate on the url and/or why the url was posted.
i am new to the feature about y combinator but i think you should correct something.
what is that?
when you log out and you click the arrow on the left side point left you log in again. that shows if you log out you have not yet log out completely.
At gmail when you log out no matter what arrow you use you will not log in till you decide to follow log in process such as your username and password.
lets be real, this site is all about the quality of the submitted links and the quality of the comment system.
I think you should focus on COMMENT system 100% and the quality of the links will improve as a result. For instance, i continue to be downmodded basically because i offer an opposing view to the whatever the current topic is. I try to not insult, and I try to back-up everything i write with facts, or state them as opinion if it is only such. If I was posting off-topic spam, I expect to get downmodded, or if I am shock-jocking just to get noticed (I don't see the point of that one) I would expect to get downmodded, but your 'Point' system is seriously broke.
How about fixing the log-in system? It claims "bad login" for valid credentials, doesn't say what's bad about it, and doesn't provide any way to reset supposedly bad passwords.
A "forgot password" or password-reset function. It's not letting me log in, and I'm mystified because I know what password I used. I had to use an alternate ID to post this.
Feature Request: PG pls consider making the submitted urls which are listed to the right of the submissions as links which would take you to a page where all submissions from that site were listed desc.
Couldn't find any better place... Bug report: when voting someone's entry down, the score stops at -4, but the poster's karma actually continues down beyond that point. This seems err to me.
I accidentally up-voted a post. I was wondering if there is a way to cancel that. I guess it is different from down-voting for which I must have some amount of karma.
Karma should be a function of whether highly rated posts (either submissions or comments) also have highly rated responses. This would encourage good dialogue and minimize the influence of anonymous knee jerk voting.
I would like to see the following recurring problem fixed: when adding a comment, once one hits the submit button, the app just hangs, then displays a blank screen
A phoenix-like quality where ongoing arguments are pushed up according to popularity ... or at least featured on the side in a box somewhere, like, "most active discussions".
Rate limit down (and up) voting, so you can't vote on a bunch of stuff very fast, but you won't notice the rate limit if you are reading the stuff you vote on.
