It's common way to see things now, although I guess it's pretty normal. I always viewed distro as something people do primarily for themselves, if you want something from particular distro — you join the community. If your wishes are drastically different from what this community accepts — you go to another community or build your own. I'm not saying people should be rude and talk nonsense, but it seems that too many people tend to forget: Debian mailing list (or lkml, or what else people complain about) is not Starbucks or McDonalds where people are paid to smile and do what's requested.
That's been said, I find question about TSYNC completely appropriate, and its support to be expected, but answer about "Google spyware" was funny and enjoyable anyway. So, yeah, maybe childish, but not "exceedingly childish".
Could you explain what you mean by "unprofessional" here? Personally Google's business model seems to be the unprofessional thing in this conversation.
But it's not a business and that person wasn't a customer. Debian is a community, bound partially by common technical ideas about packaging, stability and security, and partially by philosophical ideas about Free software.
Their goal is not to satisfy everyone who comes to their mailing list, that would be insanity.
Sure, but most people would consider the original poster's request as quite reasonable.
Instead of considering it in a balanced way and producing a polite & considered response, the response was idealistic rhetoric. For better or worse, I think that does qualify the attitude of response as "unprofessional", as stingraycharles pointed out.
I think Google is more or less "in the wrong" too, but a less snippy, snarky response would probably do more to convince people of that. "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar", as they say.
I don't really think this is a particularly childish exchange. But either way, it struck me that when you consider the reason for the exchange: a unilateral decision made by Google -- that kind of reminds me of how Google handles support: they don't.
On another note - does chrome/chromium build on freebsd? Is there an equivalent api there?
I certainly sympathize with the chrome/chormium team: they're of course free to abandon users on old kernels/os'. It is a bit odd to demand a new kernel (newer than most Android installs uses) for a browser. We've come to learn to live with not having stable and secure browsers (choose either - usually choosing the updated, secure browser makes more sense). It's a bit more hairy when you need a new kernel. But I suppose newer hardware can just run Chrome (or chrome os) in a kvm vm anyway...
The questioner is using Chrome and already made his mind up that it is an acceptable trade-off. He is asking for a simple yes or no, but instead gets useless Chrome bashing.
Of course, no one can expect free support. But if you want to have/keep users as well, this is perhaps not the way to treat them ;).
Even if you wanted to sneak in the Chrome bashing, it would be better to answer the question first.
Stop lying to push your biases please. People are smart enough to see through it.
Chromium is an open-source project and no one has ever identified any spying code. If you think Google is capable of sneaking it in, then you should be worried about other projects they contribute to like GCC, LLVM and above all else the Linux kernel.
Google has no business interest in putting backdoors into software that they've open-source for goodwill in the first place... they're certainly not open-sourcing this with the expectation that the FOSS community will help. Just look at the issue that was linked here: they offered to accept and even help people develop patches, but no one was interested - not one developer from a distribution using Chromium with an old kernel contributed. I think it's quite reasonable to drop support for old kernels when clearly no one is interested in it.
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On Sat, Mar 07, 2015 at 07:17:13PM +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> On 03/07/2015 06:38 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Sat, 2015-03-07 at 16:09 +0100, D. F. wrote:
> >> Hello, Julien Tinnes from google says that next releases of
> >> chromium will drops support for kernels without TSYNC
> >> ubuntu 14.10 already has been patched
> >> Can I to expect that debian 8/jessie will have support for
> >> TSYNC?
> > Sounds like another good reason to not use Google spyware.
> Google Chrome for Linux is the only possibility to use latest version
> of Adobe flash player for Linux as far as I know.
another good reason not to use it.
-- maks
I guess this is why Gentoo is still my distro of choice after all these years.