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We are the freak show (themoneyillusion.com)
60 points by alexeisadeski3 on Dec 18, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 40 comments



This is cute - although I suspect every single country could list off a range of crazy laws and social norms which evolved over the years.

In the UK you can... * Drive, pay taxes, join the army, and have children - but can't be trusted with the vote.

* Become an MP even if you lose the popular vote.

* Have sex when you're 16, but you can't look at pictures of people like you doing it.

* Go shopping on a Sunday - although the shop won't sell you anything until an hour after opening.

* Have to apply for university before you know your exam results.

* Cannot copy your CD onto your MP3 player legally.

* Send soldiers off to war, but have a charity pay for their care when they get home.

I'd love to know what bizarre things happen in other countries.


> "Cannot copy your CD onto your MP3 player legally."

Not strictly true anymore[1].

Additionally, I think that having a higher age of consent for appearing in pornography than simply of having sex is entirely reasonable. You may have been referring to legal ability to buy pornography, and maybe that's a fair criticism, but you phrased it such that the person depicted was under 18, which is more morally problematic.

[1] http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/news/a446817/uk-law-change-... << please note, I can't find a better source than this. the Daily Fail and the BBC both ran articles when the intention to make the change was announced, but don't seem to have followed up when it was enacted a year later.


> Go shopping on a Sunday - although the shop won't sell you anything until an hour after opening.

Does that apply to any specific shops? I don't shop that early on Sundays, but I don't think I've ever seen this applied.


Shops over a certain floorspace have restricted opening hours on Sundays. (see: https://www.gov.uk/trading-hours-for-retailers-the-law)

Some shops exploit a loophole in that a shop isn't open unless the tills are open.

If you are doing your big periodic grocery shopping in a large supermarket, then it may take you an hour to get everything into your trolley and round to the tills.

So, a shop that is legally open from 1000 to 1800 can open to shoppers at 0900, because few customers would actually buy anything in the first hour of opening anyway.


24 hour Tesco not being open after 4pm on Sunday is the bane of my life.


There are limited sunday trading hours. Some shops choose to get around this by opening an hour earlier but not opening the tills.

It's a loophole really, and it isn't true that all shops must wait, just those that choose to use this loophole.

Also it's based on size of shop, so not all shops have limits on trading hours.


I don't think any of these Sunday trading hours rules apply in Scotland.

The "apply for university before you know your exam results" doesn't apply here either.

However, one of our legal oddities is that we have an extra verdict available in criminal trials, as well as "guilty" and "non guilty" we also have "not proven":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_proven

[Corrected - I said "innocent" rather than "not guilty"]


Just for clarification, in England we have "Guilty" and "Not Guilty", there is no "innocent" here. The closest to an "innocent" verdict is probably the dismissal of charges by a judge.


What is it about driving, paying taxes or joining the army, and having children (easy if you've hit puberty) that necessarily determines that you have a sufficient grasp of the issues required to make a supportable case for voting for one candidate as against another? A bizarre decision? I don't think so though I would ensure a delay for the option of joining the army until say twenty one.


> * Become an MP even if you lose the popular vote.

That's a misleading way to explain FPTP. I think a better way is: you need to win the most votes, but you're not required to have more than 50% of votes.


I slightly bemused that some one presumably living in the UK think that we have an electoral college USA style.


... charity which makes money by selling you corned beef in a supermarket


But under age soldiers cant actually fight.


"The personality of the United States changes periodically. Sometimes we're generous and inspiring. Other times we're total dicks. It's a complicated country. But no one thing defines the personality of the United States more than our willingness to spend ten trillion dollars - and kill anyone who gets in the way - just to put a bullet in one asshole's skull. That gives me neither pride nor embarrassment; it's just a statement of fact." - Scott Adams: http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/our_moon_shot/


Here's another:

* Our government freely collects intelligence on us while it is treasonous for us to collect intelligence on it. Yet we call ourselves a democracy with a government by and for the people.


I like the bit in US elections where you don't vote for a president, but instead vote for people who promise to vote for the candidate you like, but do not actually have to. I have never been able to understand that.


Nobody find it strange when most countries elect prime ministers that way.


Is slightly different, you have a party vote/appointment for the candidate for prime minister, from elected party ranks, which is similar to the US presidency, apart from the president not having to be elected to government already.

But then the presidential vote doesn't vote directly for the president, but elects electors, who then elect the president, which seems an unneccessary step given you already have the vote results from each state and only has any effect at all if an elector does not vote the way the have been campaining.

I am not saying it is any more or less democratic than my government, I am just saying that this detail seems weird.


Heh. Welcome to Canada, UK, and Australia.


> A couple of 20 year olds can’t legally drink a glass of champaign at their wedding

In most states this is not true, I believe. They cannot PURCHASE alcoholic beverages, but only 14 states ban general underage consumption of alcohol. The rest either do not restrict it, or have exceptions for family events and/or non-public consumption.


That's interesting. I found this very comprehensive chart of state laws:

http://drinkingage.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=0...


Same difference


I thought the strange relationship with guns and the total mayhem that occurs when a woman accidentaly shows a nipple rather than the whole rest of her body would be in the list. BTW I love the US, maybe a little because of its contradictions (we french have a bunch of them either).


Its not that long ago that the UK law explicitly allowed for the ownership of guns for personal protection it was only post WW1 when the government of the day was paranoid about red revolution that this started to change.

The "peaky blinders" series recently on the BBC made this a major plot point - Churchill freaking out over the loss of 50 BAR's


>>>despite the fact that inflation is running at the lowest level in decades.

Here is someone who does not do his own food shopping. Food prices have exploded since 2008, when the house of cards first collapsed. I used to be able to buy 5 cans of store-brand chunk tuna for $3.00. Now the store brand is gone, replaced by a national brand, and it's $1.29 per can (up from $1.00 per can at the start of this year). And that's just the most egregious example from my own experience. Food packaging has also shrunk dramatically, another way prices actually rise while the "store price" remains almost the same.


Yeah, the price of tuna is a terrible measure of inflation. Those fishy stocks are finite and we're approaching the pointy end.


I would hope that tuna prices are rising. Supply and demand.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tuna+population&client=firef...


Way to use an anecdote of a single commodity to claim the entire economy is experiencing extreme inflation.

Moreover, you know tuna is extremely overfished right? This helps explain the price of that can you bought going up. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/jan/09/overfishi...


Minor point. That's bluefin tuna. The stuff that comes in cans in the United States is albacore tuna. Albacore is less overfished than bluefin, the latter of which is more highly prized in Japan. I believe bluefin is the one that is widely illegally fished in Japan.


"About two-thirds of the world's tuna comes from the Pacific, but bluefin tuna accounts for only about 1% of this."

Yes I know, but the above is the more important point, sorry I should have quoted it. The amount of tuna fished from the Pacific (67%)! is way too much to be sustainable.

For more sources on Albacore and Yellowtail see here: http://www.scidev.net/global/policy/news/pacific-fisheries-m...

"The International Union for Conservation of Nature has put yellowfin and albacore tuna in the "near threatened" category..."


I'd like to see the price change for a more renewable foodstuff. IIRC the US is pretty famous for having enormous amounts of corn - how did the store price for that change over time?

Or perhaps even more relevant to the US (due to an apparent lack of availability thereof): fresh produce / vegetables.


You know tuna can't just be taken out of the sea like that?

Fish have an ecosystem. They have to be fished at the about same rate they are breeding. If they are not, they are considered overfished. If they are overfished enough they go extinct. In the meantime the supply goes down and less fish are caught. This causes prices to rise. Tuna, like most fish, are overfished.

http://worldwildlife.org/species/tuna

According to information collected by the International Seafood Sustainability Foundation (ISSF), the Eastern Pacific stock of yellowfin is overfished and some overfishing is occurring in the Indian Ocean.The northern and southern Atlantic Ocean stocks of albacore are also overfished.The skipjack tuna, while quite resilient, could easily slip into a vulnerable state due to overfishing if improperly managed.

Bigeye tuna are prized in Asia for sashimi as well as frozen and fresh in other markets. As bluefin tuna populations shrink around the world, pressure on bigeye fisheries is increasing. According to information collected by the ISSF Scientific Advisory Committee, overfishing is occurring in Eastern and Western Pacific Oceans. Bluefin tuna populations have declined severely from overfishing and illegal fishing over the past few decades –not just Atlantic bluefin tuna, but also Pacific bluefin tuna and Southern bluefin tuna. Population declines have been largely driven by the demand for this fish in high end sushi markets.

Albacore is what comes in the cans, the amount that is allowed to be taken out of the ocean was lowered in 2011 to try to combat overfishing.

http://www.fishonline.org/fish/albacore-tuna-233

Albacore stocks in the Atlantic are assessed by ICCAT - the International Commission for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas. The latest stock assessment of South Atlantic albacore was conducted in 2011 and including catch, effort and size data up until 2009. ..... The 2008-2011 TAC for the South Atlantic albacore stock had been set at 29,900 tonnes. In 2011, following scientific advice, the TAC was lowered to 24,000 tonnes.

Oh by the way, we are rapidly approaching "peak fish."

http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-ov...

Faced with the collapse of large-fish populations, commercial fleets are going deeper in the ocean and father down the food chain for viable catches. This so-called "fishing down" is triggering a chain reaction that is upsetting the ancient and delicate balance of the sea's biologic system.

A study of catch data published in 2006 in the journal Science grimly predicted that if fishing rates continue apace, all the world's fisheries will have collapsed by the year 2048.

In 2003, a scientific report estimated that industrial fishing had reduced the number of large ocean fish to just 10 percent of their pre-industrial population.


There's a reason food and energy prices aren't counted in good inflation measures: They're too volatile to inputs independent of monetary tools.


No one anywhere can legally or illegally drink "champaign" as there is no such thing. The word is champagne.


Well there's another funny one, pedant. Champagne is produced in a specific region of France, and in most parts of the world, when you buy it, it comes from there.

Except the US... where they've decided they can make their own Champagne despite none of the product having touched the ground in that region of France.


That's interesting; I wonder how they pulled that off?

Producers from other regions of France produce wines that are almost identical to true champagne, but they cannot call it that.

They used to print on their bottles that their wines were made according to the "champagne process" (méthode champenoise) but were eventually barred from saying even that (which is crazy, since it's all but true).

They now say they use the "traditional process" (méthode traditionnelle) and I think everyone knows what it means.

It could be fun to import US-made champagne in France and continue to call it champagne. But as a rule, foreign-grown wines are hard to find in France.


"This is an interesting question, and unfortunately it comes with a confusing answer. Let me start by addressing the use of the term "Champagne" as it refers to wine. The French wanted to protect the use of the term "Champagne" to only refer to bubbly made using traditional methods from grapes grown and vinified in the Champagne region of France, so when the Treaty of Versailles was signed in 1919 to end WWI, they included limits on the use of the word. History buffs may recall that the United States never actually ratified the Treaty of Versailles, and that in 1919 the U.S. was in the midst of Prohibition, so alcohol-labeling laws hardly seemed important at the time. This created the loophole that allowed producers here to legally slap the word "Champagne" on their bottles of bubbly—much to the irritation of the winegrowers in Champagne. Out of respect and to avoid confusion, many producers in the United States called their bubbly "sparkling wine," even when it's made in the traditional method.

Then, in early 2006, the United States and the European Union signed a wine trade agreement, and the issue was brought up again. This time, the United States agreed to not allow new uses of certain terms that were previously considered to be "semi-generic," such as Champagne (as well as Burgundy, Chablis, Port and Chianti). But anyone who already had an approved label was grandfathered in and may continue to use the term."

http://www.winespectator.com/drvinny/show/id/5011


They haven't technically "pulled it off". They just keep doing it, despite infringing US-France trade agreements, but the trade agreements keep going because France is dependent on its US trade more than the US is dependent on its French trade.

It's hard to enforce a law when the person breaking it is bigger than you.

That said, I personally disagree with the law of denominations itself, and I think it's pretty clear by now that French wines have gotten worse in quality ever since strict denominations have been introduced, mostly because they're just another form of economic protectionism.

One of the reasons Belgium produces the best and most varied beers is that nobody dictated what exactly defines beer. So, even in highly specialised beers, such as fruit beers, some breweries put the fruit before the first fermentation, others before the second, others ferment fruit juice separately and add it later, etc. Then everyone looks at what everyone else is doing and finds a way to improve their own product.

I wrote an article about this a few years ago, in which I asserted that Belgium is like the YouTube of beer:

http://alexandergalle.blogspot.com/2009/12/luxury-youtube-wa...


> That's interesting; I wonder how they pulled that off?

Probably having a lot of weight to throw around in the trade negotiations. South Africa had a similar bubbly wine made from the same kinds grapes by people of (partly) French descent. After an EU trade deal it's now sparking wine, Methode Cap Classique


If you find a stream in the champaign or drill a well, you could probably drink.




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