It is OK to separate yourself from a group when you deeply disagree with their actions, no matter how insignificant it might seem to a different group of people.
However, I am glad this happened. New Linux Ambassadors will step up and this issue will be buried into the alternative social media communities such as Mastodon, never to be heard of again.
I disagree that Framework will lose a meaningful amount of business over this.
I really hope Framework ignores these people. They are not Linux Ambassadors, they are political activists. These people only care about their ideology and anyone who doesn't blindly follow it gets defamed.
I, and I would imagine many, are tired of this sort of binary thinking. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Society can't function like this.
Society can't function when people aren't allowed to make their own choices.
Why can't they choose political activism? What on earth binds them to a corporate entity and over-rides their agency?
If you want to step up and be an Ambassador, go for it! But if you think they should be compelled to do so, that's an ideological/political point of view of yours and you need to substantiate it.
What is their ideology? Being political activists? How?
These are two people stepping down from community position because they don't agree with actions/direction of the project. There is nothing bizarre about that. They posted why they don't agree and that's it.
> What is their ideology? Being political activists? How?
In today's post-truth landscape, words no longer mean their literal meaning, but are used as weapons.
The person you were replying to is very much aware that they are not literally a political activist. However, they find their positions so disagreeable that they want to label them as political activists because it creates a very specific connotation in people's heads.
It is about the furthest thing from a good faith framing that you can possibly get. But it's pretty par for course on Hacker News.
I usually stay afar of those 'too political for tech/gaming' stuff as long as no one is harassed (like Hyprland), but Omarchy is a litter box of a distrib, and doesn't deserve any money. I'd even take Ubuntu over it.
100% agree. I am not even sure why would company wanted to support that type of half baked distro that brings nothing... except dhh? Seems like they want him to endorse them so they bribe him by supporting his pet project.
Western: of or pertaining to the part of the world where the dominant culture is European (most of it colonized)
Patriarchal: of or pertaining to male-dominated society
Narrative: a story we tell ourselves to impart meaning to the world
Technology in itself is not political: the false (see "narrative" above) idea that technology is politically "neutral" and that the mere existence or use of a technology does not in and of itself reinforce domination or oppression
And what does a "patriarchy" have to do with anything?
People that unironically use that word are generally better ignored. And after reading the linked comment thread they're trying to portrait as problematic... I can only say that framework is better off without them. They're not in a healthy mindset and will inevitably drum up controversy for asinine things, worsening the image of Framework
It’s a thought stopping cliche in the form of an ad hominem shotgun whose trigger is tied to the door handle. You can’t disagree with the author’s take on technology or you’re a bigot and probably a misogynist and a fascist.
I hate watching fascism take over, and that’s why I hate this kind of leftist purity culture. It’s a big thing pushing people to the right.
Of course the far right does it too, which pushes people back the other way I guess.
The present day left and right are like having one obnoxious self righteous asshole screaming in each ear. I have never in my life seen the public discourse in worse shape.
When I protest that LLMs stole the collective creative output of all of humanity and are now trying to sell it back to us to supplant human creative output, or that it is an ecological, or economic, disaster, further consolidating wealth and power in a few narcissistic sociopaths, and defendants reply, "bUt ThE CApAbIlitIEs!!1!"
That’s not a problem with LLMs as a technology. It’s a problem with how LLM companies have been allowed to violate copyright at industrial scale. It’s a political and social problem.
The same indictment can be made about search companies and social media: that they are monetizing others work without compensation.
Or is there something about the tech that requires that it be deployed in this way?
My position is that LLMs trained without proper copyright authorization should not be copyrightable. They should be public domain.
As for the energy use: we either get our energy from polluting sources or we don’t. What we do with it is secondary. If we’re not using it to run AI we’d be using it to get a burrito delivered.
So you identify the problems. I guess they happened out of thin air? The broken copyright has been allowed by someone... someone BAD!
Or maybe the companies broke the law, lobbied as much as possible, broke the law more, then bribed anyone with political power until they got to god emperor himself who said “this is progress”. And everything was just fine.
But that would mean that technology is political issue.
Beyond the disappointment I have in framework for giving my money to someone so clearly off the rails, it's also disappointing to see it wasted on such a poor distribution as well. Omarchy, in isolation, is just a bloated arch install with thrown together scripts, zoom, spotify, and google apps preinstalled. I appreciate that it brought new people into linux but there are countless more polished and creative distributions that would be excellent to see partner with framework instead.
I agree with that sentiment, and I think if framework had been working with several small lower quality distributions to support the overall ecosystem this may not have come across as poorly as it did. Looking at their supported distros they have, officially: Fedora, Ubuntu, Bazzite, and then community: Linux Mint, Arch, Bluefin, and NixOS. Each of these are high quality projects that each fill a niche well and while no longer listed Omarchy stood out as being much less polished than the others.
Maybe so but please avoid mini-sermons like this on HN. We're here for curious conversation, not these kinds of grand pronouncements; it's likely far more effective to speak to one another normally, as peers rather than barraging people with rhertoric.
However, I am glad this happened. New Linux Ambassadors will step up and this issue will be buried into the alternative social media communities such as Mastodon, never to be heard of again.
I disagree that Framework will lose a meaningful amount of business over this.
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