For many of us with loud exhausts, the aim isn't noise... It is free flowing gasses allowing the engine to produce more power. The noise is what it is for that.
That said, as a loud car driver, I can't stand people who map pops-and-bangs into their car or buy loud exhausts for loudness sake. It is lame, from an engineering standpoint.
Also those of us with loud, modified, high performance cars appreciate engineering. With this comes maps and exhaust valves to allow the car to be quieter at 3am.
Point is, we are not all the same. A ban would treat me as a criminal to punish the others.
Isn't this something we argue is bad all the time here? Such as surveillance of everyone as if they're criminals for the sake of crime reduction?
The situation with loud cars is more nuanced.
Nuance is easy to ignore when something irritates or annoys you personally.
It's really not nuanced. You seem to think that other loud cars are bad but your loud car is ok but guess what, they're all the same to the people outside the car.
I don't care about your performance car. Go to a racetrack if you want that. Get your loud car off public streets.
Ok but why should a car have the ability to be a nuisance in the first place? I get that you're saying you're responsible about it but if we allow that, then people who are not responsible will also do it.
The generalization of what you're saying here would ban trombones, because someone can get drunk and play them at 3AM. Pre-crime is a poor basis for law.
There is no alternative to a trombone making noise, but silent cars that get you from A to B at whatever speed you desire very much do exist.
That said, I have no issue at all with loud cars existing, as long as nobody that's annoyed by them ever has to hear them. They shouldn't get a license plate for public roads though.
Why is being loud on the highway necessary when there is an alternative (driving a quiet car)? There are people and animals living close to highways, some of them longer than either the highway or your loud car have existed.
Cars also have the tendency to sometimes go outside and move from place to place quite rapidly, creating the potential to wake or otherwise disturb thousands of people in a short timespan. Try that with a trombone!
Sure, that makes sense, I guess. Since I do support the sale of semiautomatic weapons to the general public, unlike genocide supporters such as yourself. Every government which commits genocide begins by confiscating weapons from the public, after all. So that must be what you want.
I'm kind of joking, I consider gun-control advocates to be sincere, but tragically mistaken. I just figured your insane hyperbole deserved the same.
Do you deny that loud exhausts are unhealthy for people (like the OP maintains) or do you maintain that the adverse health effects are justified by the excellent engineering efficiency of your car?
But empirically, I can see that building quiet ones that perform very well has been possible for many years now, so I consider intentionally buying a loud one and regularly using it anywhere other than on a racetrack sociopathic behavior.
I agree partially. Having a loud exhaust could be legal. Driving with a loud exhaust on public spaces should not ever, regardless of the time of the day or if it's a main road or a small neighbourhood. It's always disturbing.
If you have a car with a loud exhaust that can be silenced, keep it silent until you're out of public, like in a race track or your own private property in the middle of nowhere.
That said, self-regulating seldom works and enforcing this at the point of the infraction is very very hard.
The next best solution is to ban loud cars from driving in public spaces.
You're welcome to transport your loud car to the race track and use it there but use a quiet one for that.
Yet somehow GM was able to engineer a Corvette to have a factory muffler that's pretty fucking quiet (I would know, I had a family member with one) yet flows enough exhaust to make 500 HP.
I'm not saying loud exhausts are good all the time. I'm saying they shouldn't all be banned, because it isn't black/white.
My exhaust is perfectly quiet and within regulations off the track. The OPs argument would ban my perfectly polite modifications because they have the potential to be loud some of the time.
There's no nuance in the argument, or point to yours.
My point is that a loud muffler isn't necessary on the track, by showing a production car can be quiet yet still fun to drive.
But you're right, there is no nuance in my argument. I'm so fucking sick and tired of being woken up 2:00 in the morning by my neighbors cars that this is something that I feel strongly about. And there's lots of others like me.
As s long time FD owner with a deleted precat, ceramic coated downpipe, 3" catback exhaust and mild street port (that could be driven quietly under very narrow circumstances, but often wasnt, because what's the point of expensive mods of you don't use them) I'm sorry you think you need a loud exhaust to make decent power. this is largely a self- justifying myth told by insensitive jerks to other insensitive jerks to cosign each others' abuse of the public space for their own selfish (snd juvenile) enjoyment. i grew up and got rid of my stupid childrens' desperate attention seeking noisemaker toy and you should do the same.
I said mine _is_ loud when the valves are full open. Around the city, they're closed and it sounds factory.
My exhaust is modified. Valves open, it happens to be louder than factory. OP thinks this should be banned. I don't think loudness is a pre-requisite of power, it just so happens it is louder because "quiet" wasn't in the scope of requirements for the aftermarket downpipe and exhaust.
You're telling me what I should or shouldn't do while being willfully ignorant of what I was saying and showing a judgy narrow minded attitude. You're also projecting a lot of worst-case gap-filling there, which is often a sign of insecurity in ones own arguments. I won't accept value judgements over what is childish from you :)
> I didn't say it needed to be loud to make power. I said mine _is_ loud when the valves are full open.
So your car is loud despite a viable alternative existing that achieves the same outcome, performance-wise, while being quiet(er)?
Yeah, that should not be allowed on the streets/get a license plate. On the racetrack? Do whatever makes you happy! Just park it right there.
I do consider it possible that you personally might be responsible enough to have it perform quietly while you drive there and back, but too many people aren't. But in a world of always-responsible, always-rational people we wouldn't need gun laws either.
It sucks to be that responsible person in our non-ideal world, but I don't know a better solution that avoids massive collateral damage inflicted on people that couldn't care less about cars. If law enforcement were better about enforcing noise pollution laws I'd probably have a different view on this, fwiw.
That said, as a loud car driver, I can't stand people who map pops-and-bangs into their car or buy loud exhausts for loudness sake. It is lame, from an engineering standpoint.
Also those of us with loud, modified, high performance cars appreciate engineering. With this comes maps and exhaust valves to allow the car to be quieter at 3am.
Point is, we are not all the same. A ban would treat me as a criminal to punish the others.
Isn't this something we argue is bad all the time here? Such as surveillance of everyone as if they're criminals for the sake of crime reduction?
The situation with loud cars is more nuanced.
Nuance is easy to ignore when something irritates or annoys you personally.