My point is that a loud muffler isn't necessary on the track, by showing a production car can be quiet yet still fun to drive.
But you're right, there is no nuance in my argument. I'm so fucking sick and tired of being woken up 2:00 in the morning by my neighbors cars that this is something that I feel strongly about. And there's lots of others like me.
As s long time FD owner with a deleted precat, ceramic coated downpipe, 3" catback exhaust and mild street port (that could be driven quietly under very narrow circumstances, but often wasnt, because what's the point of expensive mods of you don't use them) I'm sorry you think you need a loud exhaust to make decent power. this is largely a self- justifying myth told by insensitive jerks to other insensitive jerks to cosign each others' abuse of the public space for their own selfish (snd juvenile) enjoyment. i grew up and got rid of my stupid childrens' desperate attention seeking noisemaker toy and you should do the same.
I said mine _is_ loud when the valves are full open. Around the city, they're closed and it sounds factory.
My exhaust is modified. Valves open, it happens to be louder than factory. OP thinks this should be banned. I don't think loudness is a pre-requisite of power, it just so happens it is louder because "quiet" wasn't in the scope of requirements for the aftermarket downpipe and exhaust.
You're telling me what I should or shouldn't do while being willfully ignorant of what I was saying and showing a judgy narrow minded attitude. You're also projecting a lot of worst-case gap-filling there, which is often a sign of insecurity in ones own arguments. I won't accept value judgements over what is childish from you :)
> I didn't say it needed to be loud to make power. I said mine _is_ loud when the valves are full open.
So your car is loud despite a viable alternative existing that achieves the same outcome, performance-wise, while being quiet(er)?
Yeah, that should not be allowed on the streets/get a license plate. On the racetrack? Do whatever makes you happy! Just park it right there.
I do consider it possible that you personally might be responsible enough to have it perform quietly while you drive there and back, but too many people aren't. But in a world of always-responsible, always-rational people we wouldn't need gun laws either.
It sucks to be that responsible person in our non-ideal world, but I don't know a better solution that avoids massive collateral damage inflicted on people that couldn't care less about cars. If law enforcement were better about enforcing noise pollution laws I'd probably have a different view on this, fwiw.
But you're right, there is no nuance in my argument. I'm so fucking sick and tired of being woken up 2:00 in the morning by my neighbors cars that this is something that I feel strongly about. And there's lots of others like me.