The middle generations that are born and will die on a spaceship didn't sign up for that. And they might not accept their fate willingly. Relying on intermediary generations to comply seems like a big flaw in any multigenerational ship plan.
No but they should have access to basic things such as to be able to experience the natural world. It would be pretty fucking depressing if you were born into a shitty spaceship and told your job is to pro-create so the next generation can experience something fun?
The earth is a space ship, the best space ship we'll ever get, we just take it for granted.
Some have also commented that we're like already as far out in space as we're ever going to get. There is probably a lot of truth to that.
> No but they should have access to basic things such as to be able to experience the natural world. It would be pretty fucking depressing if you were born into a shitty spaceship and told your job is to pro-create so the next generation can experience something fun?
That's your assertion. Billions of people have been porn into abject poverty and disease and without hope for better, have learned (and in many ways seen and experienced) much less than these space travelers would. Unless we're going the forced sterilization and eugenics kind of route, I'm not sure how it's consistent to impose your own morals and standards onto others' procreation.
Billions of people have been porn into abject poverty and disease and without hope for better, have learned (and in many ways seen and experienced) much less than these space travelers would.
I don't think this is relevant or a good counter argument, we could easily say that both scenarios are less than ideal? Being born into poverty at least means you might have options in life like, you might actually meet enough people to find someone who you actually want to procreate with? What's that going to look like being stuck in what is esentially a small shopping mall your whole life?
I'm not sure how it's consistent to impose your own morals and standards onto others' procreation.
> Being born into poverty at least means you might have options in life like, you might actually meet enough people to find someone who you actually want to procreate with?
> I don't think this is relevant or a good counter argument,
I think it is. It's a pretty weak "argument" to begin with, more like just an assertion that it's wrong (because it's wrong).
> we could easily say that both scenarios are less than ideal? Being born into poverty at least means you might have options in life like, you might actually meet enough people to find someone who you actually want to procreate with? What's that going to look like being stuck in what is esentially a small shopping mall your whole life?
In terms of the number of people you would meet? Well it would look like almost everybody for the entire history of humanity.
> Imposing morals? Trolling?
I don't understand your question. Do you not believe that "they should have access to basic things such as to be able to experience the natural world" is imposing your own morals on the procreation of others?
We're already failing multi-generational travel on a giant rock full of food, water, oxygen, and free energy. Seems weird to assume we can do it in a tin can with fewer resources and zero forgiveness for error.
Well I need to step in on this. It isn't like oh hey multi-generational... it is more complicated.
People born without the effects of gravity will not develop the same. No form of alternative medicine will fix that.
Traveling through space means that piece of society needs to be consistent with maintenance and non stop. Humans are disorganized and function independently. Small groups function together. Humans are messy and keeping that space clean will be nearly impossible.
You would need a way to grow food and handle waste. Not even the best submarines have figured this out. Even with the ISS we have to send food up and take trash back.
We are not net zero enough to even make such a project possible.
Okay so where do you get the material to make more trash that would last a few hundred years it would take several generations and hopefully noone experience health problems to achieve this goal.
