It sucks as a Europoor. Visiting NY/WA for work when our salary as a senior engineer is like $70k, and the Americans are still complain about paying less than 20% of what we pay for gasoline.
Oil producing places tend to arrange their gas prices this way, and haven't been able to change it even though its obvious decades-known moral problems and cost in human lives wrt the climate.
Average km driven in the US: 14,000.
Average km driven in the EU: 7,000.
What you want to compare is percentage of annual income spent on gasoline. Some Americans (California) even pay double compared to Germans and triple compared to French.
Fed unwind + lack of natural resources + Russia are the culprits. Really the worst of all possibilities. I want to extend my heartfelt sadness to those of you in the Eurozone. This must be an incredibly painful time.
You seem to remember things that are arguably untrue, I wonder why. The EU, ECB and IMF spent something like €300 billions for loans at extremely low interest rates (€30,000 for each Greek citizen) to keep Greece afloat and prevent it from going down in the way that Lebanon or other places outside the EU's aegis did more recently. And that despite the fact that Greek officials conspired to lie about debt/GDP numbers to get into the Eurozone, immediately broke Eurozone guidelines about deficits and debts to start fiscal giveaways, and after the crisis broke every promise about raising cash through privatisations.
> to keep Greece afloat and prevent it from going down in the way that Lebanon or other places outside the EU's aegis did more recently
No, they did it to keep the EU banking system afloat, which was exposed to Greek debt.
They also wanted Greece to remain in the Euro, rather than returning to the drachma and admitting they couldn't square the circle of a shared currency without shared fiscal policy. Greece in the Euro vs Lebanon is a false dichotomy.
The humanitarian crisis in Greece was caused by Greeks, not by a lack of Eurozone solidarity. And in humanitarian terms it wasn't even much of a crisis. No one starved to death.
At the time, the German taxpayer rightly said "Why should I help the innocent citizens of Greece, when they can retire before me?"
EU solidarity was not possible, as this would have meant the Germans having some say in cleaning up Greek corruption and/or equalising things like retirement age, in return for fiscal stimulus from the German taxpayer.
Of course this can't happen under the EU, and will arguably never happen. So the only route is austerity.
Because of NATO and Nazis? Really? You have 8 million fleeing the country because of Russia's invasion, cities turned into ruins, civilians murdered, raped and tortured.
If Russia was such a good guy in this scenario they would allow for freedom of press and speech. And they'd provide evidence everyone could back up.
No country is perfect, also the document you shared was post Russia's first aggressions to annex Crimea, and you blame Ukraine? I don't doubt Ukrainians have done war crimes as well, it happens when you're at war. But it wouldn't have happened if Russia just let Ukraine alone to develop, it was doing pretty good compared to Russia before all of this.
The joke that is Lavrov accusing the UK of having fabricated evidence of atrocities in Bucha, then blocking any UN resolution that would investigate said atrocities... How much more evidence of guilt and depravity do you need. I agree the Russians are friendly good people, and this is why they need to be liberated from the thugs that run their beautiful country.
"The Foundation for the Study of Democracy is led by Maksim Grigoriev. He is the Chairman of the Coordinating Council for Public Control over Voting at the Civic Chamber of the Russian Federation. The organisation started working on discrediting the Ukrainian side in 2013, when pro-Russian president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych refused to sign the Association Agreement with the European Union."
The document they provided is pure Russian propaganda. It doesn't need excusing.
Self-neglect of the EU for “good causes” outside the EU is a well-established pattern with the media and political elites and also in significant parts of the financially comfortable middle class.
In the end, for them, poverty and additional difficulties in the lower classes are a good trade-off for silencing political rivals, feeding the military complex and most of all, feeling good about themselves.
As the old saying goes, never let a crisis go to waste.
I'm actually more optimistic for the EU than I've been in a long time. There is a major crisis again, but instead of arguing and fighting, the countries are working together and getting things done. The economic downturn may be painful in the short term, but if the countries can maintain the unity, the future looks promising.
While the current goings-on aren't great for the citizens of the EU, it may very well be the best thing to happen to the EU itself in a long time. Everyone is reminded why this union is so vital.
If the order of events between this and brexit were reversed, I'm sure the brexit vote would be wildly tilted in favor of remain.
Europe has many natural resources. They choose to not use local energy (German coal, nuclear). They choose to run unsustainable spending and negative interest rates.
I think it's time to ignore climate concerns for now. Otherwise autocracies and selfish governments have a massive advantage - e.g. the US pulling out of the Paris accord, Russia, etc.
At this rate the economy might collapse this time next year when gas shortages really bite combined with the rising interest rates, inflation and unemployment.
You’re probably being downvoted by Americans, but you’re right. What better way to break away from Russian gas than using coal. Poland’s already doing it.
That's why I'm paid in USD while living in EU. :-)
Though huge inflation is still an issue, I just saw price increase stats from US stastistics bureau and you have laughable inflation, here flour is like +100%, chicken +30%, cooking oil +80-100% , cheapest bread +35-40%, etc. I don't even know electricity/gas increase, luckily I use only little bit of gas and I don't drive car, so I will be hit only with electricity bill.
Even with vastly lower income compared to the US, engineers still live quite comfortable. If we don't get gas we just use electricity for heating. Most probably don't even feel the price development at all.
But I expect inflation to be around 10% at the minimum, official numbers are skewed. Especially on day-to-day needs products. For many that earn less it is a difficult time, especially after long lockdowns. Most small commercial venues are dead and there don't seem to be new ones.
It's simply due to the fact that EU Gov. choose to go for UK and USA interest AGAINST our EU Citizens interest, that's why the EUR plunge.
The sole hope IMVHO is a series off mass protest asking only one thing: jailing for life in very harsh conditions our actual ruling class stating that we still want to de Democracies, witch is veeeery unlikely.
- we are all European, till the Urals, we understand each others as we have done even during the cold war BETTER that what we do with the so called "anglosphere" (cfr Limes, geopolitical review), we also share similar values;
- they have gazillion of natural resources we need, they are developed enough to harvest them but not enough to surpass us in tech terms, they are surrounded by not-really-friendly powers (China in primis) so we need their resources, they need our tech and support, an equal, balanced and fair partnership;
Our best interest is going out of NATO, form a REAL European Union, with a common fiscal and social system, a French-lead initial nuclear deterrent toward an EU army (due to the still present language differences that makes a real general army not really doable in short time), toward again an anti-fascist Costitution modeled around Italy and Germany ones, offering Russia to apply for EAEU (EuroAsian union) with a pact of mutual and fair partnership.
Russia has no respect for basic human rights and democracy. Deep economic/social integration with Russia is very dangerous for western liberal democracies until Russia makes major reforms (would probably take 50+ years).
Totally agree. Russia could become a good partner if they'd have a working democracy, freedom of press, freedom of speech. And that the wealth in russia isn't divided so that 500 ppl own 98%+.
> Russia has no respect for basic human rights and democracy. Deep economic/social integration with Russia is very dangerous for western liberal democracies until Russia makes major reforms
Is it? We have deep ties with Saudi Arabia. Should those be severed too?
Oh I wasn't advocating it. I just wanted to show the hypocrisy in these "stop business with Russia, it's run by a despot" kind of arguments. They apply to so many countries the western world continues to do business with.
> With enough time you could stop trading with china
Maybe.. maybe not. If so this would take a lot of time and money.
What the hell are you talking about? You can't compare any EU country to Russia. Putin is an evil dictator who's opposition gets murdered or thrown in jail. And what's with the neo-nazi talk, don't think many of us EU citizens encounter neo nazies in our daily lives. But Russia has gone full nazi now invading other countries, raping and murdering civilians while wearing their new Z symbol.
As a Pole I really do not want to relay on EU members only in helping us defend against Russians. USA and UK have proven to be a lot better partners for Ukraine than France or Germany.
5000 helmets from Germany with a month of delay were really more of an insult than help to Ukraine.
France is still going around with "do not humiliate Putin". Well, I want to see him on a trial in Hague.
And the idea that Poland will grant Putin any say over our politics is ridiculous.
Germany actually supplies a lot of arms, compared to partners, they announced yesterday that they train Ukrainians to use modern howitzers before sending them to Ukraine.
Germans were hoping that Ukraine will fall and they can go on doing business with Russia. Right after 2014 annexation of Crimea they decided to build Nord Stream 2. And they were laughing when USA, Poland, Baltics and Ukraine were telling them that they need to diversify.
It's quite possible that without German appeasement of Putin this 2022 invasion would have not even happen.
France and Germany blocked Ukraine NATO membership.
Some of German leaders still hope to go to business like usual like Volkswagen CEO.
Germans still keep on saying that nobody could have foreseen this war.
Well, in 2008, 14 years ago, Polish president in Tbilisi during the Russian invasion of Georgia:
> We know very well. Today Georgia, tomorrow Ukraine, the day after tomorrow – the Baltic States and later, perhaps, time will come for my country, Poland.
I still remember how the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany posted on February 25
that he was crying after visiting German foreign minister who told him Ukraine will cease to exist within 2 weeks.
> 5000 helmets from Germany with a month of delay were really more of an insult than help to Ukraine
Heads-up, you seem to receive your news from outlets with a rather anti-European misinformation bent...
As for German help: The helmets that Germany delivered were explicitly asked for by UA. So were the field hospital units. So were the 500 Stingers, the 1000 Panzerfaust 3s and the 500+ Strela anti-tank rockets. None of them were perceived as an insult.
> And the idea that Poland will grant Putin any say over our politics is ridiculous
The former prime minster of Poland straight-up said last year that the Polish government is serving Putin's agenda by allying with Putin-funded 'Euroskeptic' parties including Le Pen, Orbán and Salvini. He is quite obviously right in his assessment.
> France is still going around with "do not humiliate Putin".
Not a fan of Mr Macaroon, but thats how diplomacy works. If you spit in someones face and call them names you are closing down avenues of discussion.
If you call putin a 'blood thirsty child killer' at the international level, russia will not talk to you. Because if they did by proxy they are acknowledging your previous statement - imminently putting them at weaker negotiating position.
Just imagine a situation, you have argument with someone - they keep stealing your cookies, you want them to stop - they spit in your face and call you dirty liar, would you keep talking to them or buy laxative cookies?
Sorry but... You are fighting for yours enemies. As, unfortunately, many Poles have done since more than a century. Did you remember the UK betrayal right before WWII? When the Crown, a formal ally, ask Polish Gov. to surrender to Germans because "in the end they are right" thanks to their massacre of their own Citizens with a blitz on the Poland soil against Germanophones Poles? The very same tactics NATO mercenaries have trained azov, C14, pravy sektor, svoboda and the other nazi Ukraine having also armed them, pushed them against their own Russianophone peoples?
Did you see what they left in their own colonies around the world, what they have done AGAINST Iraqis People, Venezuelan people, Afghans, Chileans etc? The UK and USA ruling class, betraying their own people values, have the bloodiest trails in the entire world history, they even surpass Germans and Spanish inquisition crimes.
Not to talk about actual Polish government who keep acting against their own people, just to name one the anti-abortion laws, the very same USA rulers want on their own land. Not to talk about CIA funded Solidarność crimes.
I'm curious what is your background to have this crazy to me ideas.
Are you from some BRICS country?
Russians with Austrians and Prussians have destroyed the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1795. They were forcing russification on us. After we regained independence we had to go trough another war with Soviet Russia in 1919. Fortunately, we stood our ground in 1920. But then we got attacked by Germans on 1st of September 1939 and backstabbed by Soviets on 17th of September.
Both Germans and Soviets proceeded to mass execute Poles. Both were attempting to destroy Poland. Under direct orders of Stalin Soviets mass executed Poles in Katyń Massacre. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Poles were send to Siberia to camps of long death.
My grandmother lived trough the second world war. She still remembers hiding as a small girl from Russian speaking soldiers who were raping children and women indiscriminately.
My grandmother managed to escape Poland before the martial law of 1981. The quality of life in the west was incomparably better than in the communist block.
If CIA was involved with Solidarność I can only be grateful to USA. I'm really grateful to my parents generation who decided to join EU and NATO right after they kicked out communist regime. My grandmother visited Poland for the first time some 6 years after we joined EU. She could not believe how much better life was in Poland at that time.
Today, I work in Belgium, I studied in Netherlands and live in Finland with my Finish girlfriend. I'm welcomed as a friend and equal everywhere. European Union is what Europeans for hundreds of years of unending wars could only dream about.
> I'm curious what is your background to have this crazy to me ideas.
> Are you from some BRICS country?
Italian, living in France, nephew of WWII Partisans who have trained me recognizing propaganda, nazi-fascists and who pay them. At the WWII end CLN Alta Italia (general command of Italian Resistance) knowing very well that so called "allies" are just mostly other nazis have proposed to remain on mountains stating clear "UK back off Italy or we will be at war and you can't sustain two fronts", unfortunately USA with the south Italian mafia's and UK with the north and center fascists manage a well done propaganda convincing most to lay down weapons, however those Partisans know where the country will go and we now know they where really right.
New nazis dress suite&tie and talk in English, against British and Americans people of course, as the old one. They call themselves "world government" (try looking for that and new adolf hitler, now named klaus schwab, will pops up, he is the head of WEF in case you do not know) and have the same criminal plans. They choose a new enemy, instead of Jews the prefer Russians and viruses, while they real enemy is always the same: acculturated peoples who go obviously against them.
For Poland: surely Soviet's have done bad things there, and perhaps you do not know how they grab power in Russia, try looking for history and you'll discover that Lenin made a coup against the Mensheviks, the "real" socialist who have made the October revolution, thanks to Kaiser money in exchange to stop the war against them, the stalin have done the rest thanks to absolute power and UK crown money. However even stalin have choose hitler not the west because hitler have made concrete proposal to Soviets while UK have not sending powerless ambassadors with vague and constantly changed proposals. So Soviet choice was NOT criminal but logical. And I add just to keep going with history that years later France M. Petain, now appointed as a fascist traitor have had done a similarly logical choice: between UK crown criminals and the nazi the latter was better for France and yes, as a Socialist, one with a red flag, nephew of Partisans with a red flag I'm pretty convinced that at that time in France I would have been with Petain.
The above long part only to say how history is written by the winner who do their best to betray memory for their own interests.
Anyway thanks the CIA for having revived religious extremists in Poland that bring back human rights far worse that at Soviet time and made people, comparing the actual global conditions, poorer that under the Soviet.
How are US and EU interests not aligned? Germany doesn’t have a military that can defend the country and most of the EU is heavily reliant on the US for its own protection.
That view no longer makes sense. In the past few months, we've learned that Russia did the same as every other European country. It didn't bother maintaining a serious military force. All the real military threats are somewhere far away, and they don't concern the EU.
This is something appearantly only Americans seem to 'know'. Local versions range from 'we can defend ourself' to 'we won't get ourselfs in a war in 2022', excluding Germany that a historically weird relationship with the US
How can Germany be defended against UK and USA? France can, a bit, with a Russian partner. Because there are no friends between countries, just competing interests.
Actually USA oppress Germany as UK oppress Italy right after WWII the war they have helped creating to steal our richness, with a large contribution from our citizens, of course.
Our sole hope as western Europeans is a French Europe with Russia in the EAEU alliance, with that we can rule back the world, without we can just choose who subjugate us first.
All leaders of the EU are elected. Either by direct vote, vote of the member states, or vote of the member states with approval of directly elected EU parliament.
Not really, the commissionners are mostly unelected officials, and while the council represent the interests of elected head of state, those sieging are not always elected officials.
Granted, the commissioners do not have a lot of power (they have less effective power than the parliament as long as the subject isn't trade and economic competition) but still.
That’s an odd example, since she wasn’t even up for election, she was “nominated”. At least two German political parties complained about backroom deals and an undemocratic process.
She was proposed by EU Council and then elected by the parliament exactly as specified by the treaty:
> Taking into account the elections to the European Parliament and after having held the appropriate consultations, the European Council, acting by a qualified majority, shall propose to the European Parliament a candidate for President of the Commission. This candidate shall be elected by the European Parliament by a majority of its component members. If he does not obtain the required majority, the European Council, acting by a qualified majority, shall within one month propose a new candidate who shall be elected by the European Parliament following the same procedure.
Right, the people don't vote for the president. If the people are allowed to vote, people vote for change - Brexit, Trump.
The people have little influence in what is being forced on them. I suspect this will end with some EU member States going their own way, after the people demand it.
you are confusing Eurozone with European Union, there are many countries in EU, but not in Eurozone and there are rarely some countries (Bulgaria, Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro and Kosovo, if you consider it a country) de facto in Eurozone, but not in EU
You are welcomed here in Prague, Czechia - absolutely zero COVID restrictions (back to normal pre pandemic) everywhere including border entry/exit.
Normally I'd not be inviting tourists into this tourist hell (4th most visited city in Europe), but anyone watering down numbers of Ukrainian economic migrants is welcomed, I had to stop going to nearby mall because it's flooded with Ukrainian/Russian speaking people and you have problem to hear Czech or other language.
And that has no impact on the value of the US dollar?
A very helpful definition of inflation is “the relative value of the US dollar” and forex trends imply the US dollar is gaining purchasing power, which implies its inflation is less severe than elsewhere.
The Yen and Renminbi are trading lower as well, despite no wars... (Coincidentally they are also energy importers in a time of high energy prices, like the Eurozone.)
By which I mean, all the talk about Ukraine being in Europe seems to imply it's common knowledge that none of Georgia, Abkhazia, Transnistria, Moldova, Ossetia, Chechnya, Ichkeria, Tajikistan, Armenia, and Azerbaijan, to name a few, are in Europe and that's why conflicts in those places were largely ignored in comparison.
What does that mean and who told you so? Do you mean a lot less people died? That cities weren't being blown up? Casualty estimates for the Chechen wars vary wildly, but seem to be in the mid-5 to mid-6 digit range.
>This war is on a scale we haven't seen for decades
Ok, it is very clever to qualify with "for decades", you got me, 2008 seems like yesterday. I can remember before 9/11.
It sucks as a Europoor. Visiting NY/WA for work when our salary as a senior engineer is like $70k, and the Americans are still complain about paying less than 20% of what we pay for gasoline.