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Ask HN: What's on your learning list?
73 points by mywaifuismeta on April 30, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 110 comments
What is in your backlog of things to learn? This could be lectures, books, projects/tutorials or anything else that's a bigger project and not just a blog post or article.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beginning_of_Infinity

A book that's really changing how I'm thinking. It starts by explaining how science makes progress. Defining a good theory as one that has explanatory power. A good theory explains stuff well.

Then proceeds to apply explanations. How to understand Physics from this frame of mind. How other approaches to epistemology (what we can know) works. What problems they face. What kind of errors other ways of thinking can lead to.

This is the best book I've read about what we can know, and it applies so generally to things I'm interested in. How can I know what I know. What about my team at work, what do we know. How should we communicate. About the products we're developing. How are they valuable? How can we know that it's valuable?

It's especially impressive how Deutsch navigates up and down the ladder of abstraction. Really general concept - then a really crisp example of how it applies exactly to an example.

I've been reading and re-reading this on and off for half a year. It's hard, but I'm learning a lot. Currently half way through the book.


Disguised as a physics book (not an easy read), this is THE book on optimism. No matter how entrenched is your pessimism, it will open some cracks or even demolish it. Is that good.


> A good theory explains stuff well.

Exactly, yes, 100% this.

More specifically it explains previously understood effects that are encapsulated in current theory in a new way very likely to a higher degree of accuracy, it accurately predicts behaviour of the universe, and explains previous mysteries.


In progress:

- The Rust Programming Language (book)

- Programming Rust (book)

(I'm going over them in parallel)

To do:

- The Elements of Computing Systems (book & course)

- High Performance Browser Networking (book)

- REST API Design Rulebook (book)

- Network Programming with Go (book)

- MIT 6.824 Distributed Systems (course)

- a bunch of docs and youtube tutorials on things I want some exposure to without going too deep (React, Django, FastAPI, Kubernetes)

- The System Design Interview (book)

- Grokking the System Design Interview (book)

- more Leetcode

For context I'm a data scientist who wants to switch to SWE at some point.


I’ve really enjoyed Network Programming with Go, and would add that I’ve also found Distributed Services with Go[0] to be a good read.

Regarding leetcode, I’ve only briefly looked into the platform, is there anything specific you’re using to work through it?

[0] https://pragprog.com/titles/tjgo/distributed-services-with-g...


Thanks, I'll check out Distributed Services with Go.

For LC - I've already taken a couple of DS&A classes, I have some youtube videos to refresh on groups of problems like graph problems, DP problems etc., and the rest is just to practice solving as much as I can.


Working my way through this: https://teachyourselfcs.com/ - I'm almost half way through it. Then, I plan on completing this: https://fullstackopen.com/en/


These are gold, I also recently stumbled upon on http://programming-motherfucker.com/become.html from HN itself.


Thanks for these resources!


Nice


- Spanish (I'm halfway decent but still struggle especially with production and spoken comprehension)

- Japanese (I'm still rather bad, although I know a fair bit of Kanji, vocab and grammar by now)

- Mathematical Logic (very vast topic)

- Programming Language theory, Type theory, better understanding of functional programming language concepts, etc. I'd like, for example, to be able to be productive in Haskell.

- Distributed systems. I'm really bad at thinking about distributed computing (although I suspect that even most people who work on distributed systems are), so I'd like to improve. I'm currently reading "The Art of Immutable Architecture" which, maybe unexpectedly, is mostly about how immutability helps with distributed computing. It's definitely idiosyncratic though, so I'll also need to read some other stuff. I've had my eyes on "designing data-intensive applications" for a while now. I'd also like to learn some Erlang/Elixir at some point.

- History. I'm really interested in history and enjoy good podcasts, audiobooks etc. about it. Currently on the Russian Revolution and also listening to a lecture series on the middle ages.


What history podcasts do you recommend?


I highly recommend Great Moments in Weed History.[0]

[0] https://www.audible.com/pd/Great-Moments-in-Weed-History-Pod...


The Mike Duncan podcasts are great, i.e. History of Rome and Revolutions.


Reading and working my way through "Elements of ML Programming" (ML97 Edition). One of the many programming books I have, that I still want to get through. Slowly getting more productive using Standard ML. Once I have good understanding of all the language features, I will probably switch to "Purely Functional Data Structures" and understand its code, which will help me, when I want to write in functional style in other languages and want to avoid any unnecessarily badly chosen data structure, while also avoiding mutation, where it makes sense.


As a former vehement atheist, learning more about Christianity. It’s a daily process.


I went through this process and ended up fully converting to Catholicism.. in fact my case was even _more_ extreme as I was also born in an Islamic country. So I went from someone who REALLY hated religion (I literally lived everything Hitchens was talking about) to a confirmed Catholic by doing RCIA..

The process really started for me when I realized that God is ultimately a philosophical question (God is Ipsum Esse) rather than a scientific one. If science could answer everything, then we might as well throw out the entire field of philosophy after all..

This is how I started to study philosophy and theology (both _serious_ Atheist philosophers such as Jean Paul Sartre, Albert Camus, .. as well theologians).

I think it has been an absolute net positive in my life. I've gained a wealth of knowledge, significantly grown my network and feel much more grounded in my spiritual well being.

You should however, be prepared to be ridiculed if you outwardly practice your faith. I was surprised how many people would essentially conclude that I am either not educated or "brain washed".


Have you heard of a book called Dominion? https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43885149-dominion

I was also an atheist fundamentalist, I still don't think I believe in God, but that book showed me how Christianity shaped the west. The history of Christianity is fascinating.


Oh wow, I would love to hear what made you change your mind. I can understand the progression from a believer to an agnostic or an atheist, but am fascinated by the evolution in the opposite direction.


I'm not part of this group myself, but I've seen this quite a lot as people get older. My anecdotal evidence is that it's less about becoming a "believer" in the supernatural, and more about realizing that many of the traditions and practices can be useful for personal happiness, mental health, and sense of belonging, regardless of the science behind them. Praying is not so different from e.g. meditation or yoga, just a different type of practice.



I believe that Atheism already achieved its peak on Western world.

Anecdotally, I don't know anybody that became Atheist recently but many that embraced some kind of Theism. No matter how we deal with it, Atheism is linked to individualism and it may make your existence more difficult than it needs to be. By the other hand, Theism is linked to communities. There's nothing better to unite people as a shared belief.


> No matter how we deal with it, Atheism is linked to individualism and may make your existence more difficult than it needs to be. By the other hand, Theism is linked to communities. There's nothing better to unite people as a shared belief.

I see what you are saying; but this idea, which I have seen expressed many times, has always perplexed me. I understand that, pragmatically speaking, having a shared belief in a supreme being may be beneficial; but one cannot just turn a belief on or off based on how beneficial it is. Even if it is true that the believers live a psychologically better, healthier and more fulfilling life (as opposed to, say, agonizing whether they will end up in hell), it is only a statement about their mental state rather than about the truth of what they believe in.


> one cannot just turn a belief on or off based on how beneficial it is.

True, but you can soften your views. I soften mine after sharing my life with a Christian for several years. I used to assist weekly mass - as a non believer - with an open mind. I didn't convert but it changed me. I morphed from a raw Atheist to an Agnostic. She made me understand that I don't need to believe, only respect to be included in the community.


Happened something similar to me too.

It started when I stopped seeing religion as an "edgy atheist" that would make fun of everything. Then I listened to Jordan Peterson's "Biblical Series" podcast which made me see the contents of the Bible from another perspective.

That made me read and listen more to religion related stuff. I'm also very analytical and critical with everything and if something doesn't make sense I won't simply accept it because I should believe it.

I wouldn't consider myself religious but I wouldn't dare say God doesn't exist because I'm pretty sure He does.

I see it as a journey, now. And it doesn't have to do anything with getting older and being afraid of death. I made my peace with the ending of my own existence/conscience when I was an atheist. That doesn't scare me at all.


I've gone the other way as I've gotten older, which is not unusual - however I've not built up the vehemence that I see with many other ex-religious. I sometimes quip that I'm more of a "there but for the grace of God type of atheist."


I recommend "Can a Scientist Believe in Miracles?" by Ian Hutchinson, physicist and professor at MIT. It covers the rational arguments for Christianity and how to integrate a scientific and Christian view of the world.

And C.S. Lewis, of course, but you're already reading him.


> I recommend "Can a Scientist Believe in Miracles?" by Ian Hutchinson […]

Books by (Brother) Guy Consolmagno, the Director of the Vatican Observatory, are also worth checking out:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Consolmagno

Perhaps specifically God's Mechanics: How Scientists and Engineers Make Sense of Religion. Interview:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0DAKaR16cY


Thanks, I will check it out!


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> Is it also the Guinness record holder for worlds shortest book?.

I'm also a non-theist, but I think there's something to be gained by reading the apologetics, in part to understand the motivations and perspectives of theists, but failing that, to sharpen one's own rational thinking skills. There's also a lot of history of the philosophical traditions to appreciate.


> Is it also the Guinness record holder for worlds shortest book?

336 pages covering Aristotle, Plotinus, Augustine, Aquinas, Leibniz:

* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35592365-five-proofs-of-...

205 (dense) pages going over Aquinas' Five Ways:

* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6963088-aquinas


Yawn. Do you think this is edgy or provocative in 2022?


He's just the operating system of life. Keep up the joy.


I currently suspect god is malware or doesn’t exist.


It's a fair cop, I suppose, but doesn't reality as such seem too ordered?


Order occurs within any random sequence, this should be expected. Humans are just drawn to the patterns and like to ascribe meaning to things.


When you say:

> this should be expected

there is some larger evaluation context implied, which I find interesting.

Repackaged: I don't know how much faith I can place in random sequences.


It seems that way but I think the virtual machine (universe) we run on just has some emergent constraints on possibilities and outcomes and we are just observing them.


> the virtual machine (universe) we run on just has some emergent constraints

But this is not to be confused with some sort of cosmic operating system?


I don’t think there’s a cosmic operating system. It’s more a meta-stable Conway game of life type environment. Either that or I drank too much funky tea once.


No need to argue in circles here, but I can't see how one posits a "meta-stable Conway game of life" while eschewing an "operating system".

Much hinges on definitiona here. And there isn't much need to continue this further here. Cheers!


How?


It’s a mishmash of things and I’m only scratching the surface, sorry can’t give a coherent answer.

But some books (Mere Christianity, The Case for Christ, The Believing Scientist, stuff by Garry Habermas, etc.), Wikipedia, the Bible (especially letters of Paul and historical analysis of them), Reddit, going to Church, taking Alpha course provided by it, talking with pastors, with Christians, random articles (e.g. https://faculty.som.yale.edu/jameschoi/whychrist/), thinking about things myself, etc.


Learn all the basic paradigms of programming languages. Next on the list: Prolog, Haskell, Smalltalk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Programming_paradigms.svg

Learning quantum computing algorithms is on my list as well.


Playing the guitar! Numerous failed attempts over the last 15 years. My current approach is to just pick up a guitar and "play" without tabs or notes, basically just making sounds I like.


Hi, I can relate. I also struggle to learn guitar for years, what helps me is that I

- Invest in an expensive ($400, so not really, but much better than what I used to have) guitar so I’d feel guilty leaving it there.

- Make it a point to pick up the guitar every single day, no matter how long.

It’s also great that there are lots of tabs for popular songs out there, and Carl Brown of guitarlessons365 amazing tutorials. It’s been a little more than a year, with a few breaks spanning days and months, I can learn to imperfectly play the rhythm part of many songs within one practice session from online tabs. I’m proud of that.

Good luck on your journey, after some time of playing, I can say guitar is the easiest instrument to have fun with.


Have you considered the "game" Rocksmith from Ubisoft?


Immediate:

- Introduction To Graph Theory

- The design of approximation algorithms

- Introduction To Topology

- A book of abstract algebra

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Long Term:

- GEB

- Linear and Geometric Algebra + Linear and Geometric Calculus

- Geometric Deep Learning: Grids, Groups, Graphs, Geodesics and Gauges

- Elements of functional analysis

- Cracking the coding interview

- Pattern Matching and Machine Learning

- Elements of Statistical Learning

- Probabilistic Machine Learning

And the list never ends.


Definitely agree on Geometric Algebra + Calculus. What drew you to it?


My linear algebra and multivariate calculous were not as good as I wanted them to be, so I was searching for books on the topic and those two were suggested. Then I saw that the author (Alan Macdonald) had additional material on his YouTube channel, took a peek and found them helpful.

I really enjoyed his writing style and found GA to have some very interesting abstractions but university took the best of me and I couldn't finish them. Perhaps this summer.


Finally memorizing the Beethoven "Les Adieux" Sonata. It's an interesting work, fairly late opus. The three movements are labeled - by the composer - "Goodbye", "Absence", "Return". It seems like a metaphor for the pandemic, so it bubbled to the top of my queue. It's also fascinating because it seems to sit at the crossroads of Classical style and the Romantic movement. It was rare for classical era composers to tell the player/listener what emotion a piece was to evoke.

Languages to get a better handle on:

Swift - I transitioned out of macOS and iOS development when Obj-C was sunsetting, so that wave swept by me.

Rust

Learn Ukrainian - I'm a native English-speaker and C1/C2 in Russian, but am completely stumped by Ukrainian - like "you sound like you're speaking something I should understand, but..."


Good luck with the Beethoven. I really love his sonatas, but they're usually beyond my skill-level.


Improvising three dimensional or at least memorable characters as a GM in tabletop role playing games.

Giving characters over-the-top traits is a good start, but so much to learn about making them stand out in the players’ memories / making them more than tools of acquiring things to do for the players.


- APL. Trying to finally complete everything in Mastering Dyalog APL [1]. It's a long book.

- Complicated regular expressions

- Urdu

- Thomas Asbridge's The Crusades [2]

[1] https://www.dyalog.com/uploads/documents/MasteringDyalogAPL....

[2] https://www.amazon.com/Crusades-Authoritative-History-Holy-L...


I'm currently interested in learning more about preference revision algorithms and formal properties of preference revision for my work in formal philosophy. I've read some of Grüne-Yanoff & Hansson (eds.) Preference Change, Springer 2009, but I'm looking for something more recent and in-depth. 5Just in case someone has a reference to share, I'd be grateful.


I'm working on preference change (also in philosophy). Happy to speak some more. Let me know how I can contact you, if you are interested.


That's cool! Send a mail to l5dk9wwb@anonaddy.me and I'll get back to you with my normal mail.


Computing skills :

- Solidify my overall programming skills. I'm still light on a lot of OOP concepts and on some data structures. On one hand I've never really taken to OOP, on the other I just don't program enough that concepts are really internalized.

- Get decent at the Go language. Nothing fancy, I just want to do some concurrency and message passing without getting my foot stuck in the carpet.

- Getting a better instinct for log aggregation/monitoring and process tracing. Dtrace has been on my list for at least a decade.

Other intellectual pursuits :

- I'd like to brush off my Latin and Ancient Greek. I honestly feel I should be able to speak Latin within a few months. But getting a sense for good Latin and appropriate style would take a few years.

- I want to pick up German in the near future.

- I want to go back to university part time (which you can do where I'm from) and finish a history degree. I love computing, but I love history more.


I want to learn how to sew a bra! It's actually quite difficult especially compared to other clothing.


Actively:

- Learning guitar via https://www.justinguitar.com/

- Learning Spanish via duolingo

- Learning Kotlin via "Atomic Kotlin"

Why guitar? Purely for myself. I'd learned some when I was a teen but my evangelical Protestant parents only wanted me to play "for the glory of God" and so I couldn't play "secular" songs. Now I'm grown and finally have enough time and disposable income to pick it up again.

Why Spanish? I'm latino, but parents never learned Spanish b/c of generational assimilation (having any accent was "bad") and I want to learn.

Why Kotlin? Java has been my primary language for the 10 years of my career and is the #1 language at my company. (We/I also use Objective-C, JS/TS, Perl, and Ruby.) However, I'm always bouncing between learning languages on the weekend, mostly as a hobby. I've tinkered with C C++ Swift Go Python CommonLisp Clojure and Rust. Each language, even though I might not have actually used, has taught me something new and for that alone it's been personally fulfilling to just get a cursory familiarity with the language. Picking up languages also makes it very easy to pick up the next and so on.

Kotlin itself seems like what I've been needing: a Java++. Something I can actually use at work, that won't take much to ramp up others, interacts easily with existing Java code/systems, and solves real problems that Java has. It's like Java with "Effective Java" built-in, as well as some great concepts from other languages (like coroutines from Go).

Been working on "wax on, wax off"-style kicking the tires with Kotlin. Like setting up a web server stack on AWS with it (Spring + Thymeleaf + Elastic Beanstalk + CodePipelines).

Backlog:

- Going through Crafting Interpreters https://craftinginterpreters.com/ using Kotlin (instead of Java).


I just set up LSP[1] with Spacemacs[2].

Now on to getting SQLModel[3] going with GeoAlchemy2[4].

This is all for the school project. The day job is all about Terraform.

[1] https://langserver.org/

[2] https://develop.spacemacs.org/layers/+tools/lsp/README.html

[3] https://sqlmodel.tiangolo.com/

[4] http://gaia-gis.it/gaia-sins/index.html


I'm happy to say nothing at the moment. Summer's coming, why waste it learning.


After waiting for async in Django for the last 5 years (yes, I know about the 4.1 announcement, no, it’s not there yet) and a general dislike of DRF over a built in REST solution, I’ve started looking at Elixir and Phoenix on the backend.


I started practicing Game Development (again). I haven't done it since I finished my college degree, because I was never able to find a job in the area.

I started making one-game-a-month as a learning exercise to tinker with all the different aspects of developing a game: coding, modelling, making art, composing music and sound effects, and even writing a devlog.

I've been blogging the entire thing. My first one-game-a-month is at https://dudezord.github.io/projects/Gatekeeper, if you are curious.


This is not tech related but geopolitics.

A few years ago, YouTube introduced me to a man, Peter Zeihan. He focuses on geopolitics and the future of nations. I thought his presentations were informative yet I was skeptical. Always kept him and his predictions in the back of my mind.

Fast forward to now, covid and the Ukraine-Russia war. Now I can’t get enough of his words and thoughts

On my reading list, is his books.

- The Absent Superpower: The Shale Revolution and a World Without America

- Disunited Nations: The Scramble for Power in an Ungoverned World

So far, his predictions have been accurate. And that scares me about the next few years

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"lojban". I first read about it when it was still "Loglan". My human language learning skills have always been my weakest, but I still refuse to give up.


Navigation (compass, celestial), another spoken language, calculus refresher, photoshop, vegan cooking.

Trying to avoid learning more programming things as I am entirely burned out from that.


Learning to draw form and volume. My inability to do so frustrates me a lot. I'm hoping someday to be able to visualize pictures and structures in my mind.


If you aren't already reading it, may I suggest you checking out Scott Robertson's "How To Draw: Drawing And Sketching Objects And Environments From Your Imagination"


I haven't yet. Thanks for the tip!


Wet plate photography.


I’ve been focused on mechanical building the last 2 years. I learned Solidworks, Blender, 3d printing, cnc, and resin casting. Now I am taking woodshop, and trying to learn more about mechanism design. Learning more about materials is always ongoing in the background. My goal is to be able prototype whatever zainy physical product idea I might have quickly and at a high quality.


Guitar, particularly jazz using The Jazz Guitar Handbook by Rod Fogg. Great book to get into playing jazz feeling stuff. I have a fantasy to do trios/quartets, but not yet at a level to play with others. (looking for any books/advice for next step).

Korean, particularly the listening part. Listening and parsing at the same time is really tough. Does anyone recommend italki?


- Bash/awk

- PHP event loop to use it with AJAX/websockets to make browser games

- SQL. I know SQL but I feel I need a deeper knowledge

- Rust or Go

- Spoken English


I've been meaning to properly learn complex analysis. There's a whole wealth of what seem to be magic spells that are possible merely because of root(-1) or something.

There's also Clifford algebra, which turns geometry into algebraic statements.


If a flock of birds exists in a region, how long has it been there?


Same here. Just finished reading Ahlfors, the part beyond residue theorem which culminated my undergraduate course on the subject.


Art. Painting, drawing, seeing. Bought an iPad Air and the Apple Pencil a week ago to use Procreate.

I like traditional media, but the setup is annoying and the canvases and papers and whatnot start to pile up.


Berkeley - CS 61A Spring 2021

Berkeley - CS 61B Spring 2021

Helsinki - Full Stack Open 2022

Some LeetCode here and there.


Learning more about how Hinduism explains the beginnings of the Universe and planetary systems. How it's linked with yoga and synchronization of chakras


One of the Hindu book says even the Gods dont know who created the Universe.


Not sure what you mean but the Gita clearly states Krishna as the supreme


That is the problem with religion, there is no single source of truth.

"Who really knows? Who will here proclaim it? Whence was it produced? Whence is this creation? Gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe. Who then knows whence it has arisen?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasadiya_Sukta


Machine learning stuff. I never got around to that, because you ain't gonna need it, and I never did, but as a generalist it's a bind spot.


I’ve been reading Bob Nystrom’s Crafting Interpreters and learning about interpreters and compilers in general.


Russian and hopefully German, but to be honest I've been saying that to myself for the last ~10 years at least.


Have you found good learning resources for Russian?


Used to have a physical learning manual and a couple of Russian-Romanian dictionaries, haven’t checked the online resources too much.


I am struggling with french for the longest time. Any recommendations on how to effectively learn new languages?


Everybody's got their own preferred method, but the way I've gone around things is by starting to actively listen to the language with the related transcript to get a good ear for the phonemes (you can do that with songs or videos). Then I move on to reading the language with a translation or a dictionary on the side.

That's what maximizes the efficiency of language acquisition for me. I leave the rest (getting a better understanding of the grammar, speaking it with a decent flow) for later.


That depends on what is your motivation to learn French?


Looking to go beyond the basics in Docker and Kubernetes, and intending to start learning Next.js.


- Languages (Mandarin and Spanish). - Application programming - front end apps using React


I want to learn 3D CAD design. Planning on building a battlebot and my own laptop.


FP-TS. Been a struggle so far.


My list won't fit in the comment.

So basically my current project is to trim it down.


Maybe with a different fermatting it will fit ;)


Concertina, subnets, synthesizer, solidity, rock climbing, italian.


Being a good person


The best and most overlooked thing you can focus on - for yourself and others


Leetcode System Design Cinematography Story telling


All the best man. How are you learning cinematography?


H.264 currently. Next RTMP, followed by AV1


More compiler optimizations


Next.js, TypeScript, RxJS.


In progress:

* JavaScript

Todo:

* APL or J

* Lisp

* Forth

* Lua


Houdini.


learning to morse


I spend a lot of time commuting to and from work. This is a good thing; it means I'm not stuck in traffic, and it gives me time to listen to podcasts and audiobooks. I love listening to anything that I can learn from, whether it's business-related or not.

I especially love learning about how other people have succeeded in their careers, because I believe that there's something valuable to be learned from everyone's experience. I also just love hearing about what other people are passionate about!

Right now, my learning list is focused on books for women in business. Some of my favorites? The Lean Startup by Eric Ries and Lean In by Sheryl Sandberg.


reactive java, currently quarkus but their guides are awful.

I'm a Go backend Vue frontend guy currently. But I'm eyeballing Java and eventually Kotlin because while the Go language is regulated the ecosystem isn't. And even if performance and resource usage is worse than Go it's still good enough. So I'm trying to see if I can have my cake and eat it too, aka have grpc, RESTful API and reactivity and oidc protected endpoints and how that works with Vue, Flutter or Angular. Maybe eventually even write native Android mobile apps since they're Java also.

But Java is very closed off and seemingly elitist world compared to Go. Only few information outlets exist and the articles are usually incomplete.

I'm observing a decline in Go, many abandoned packages and some of the brains that were what's considered core packages have move away from Go. Gin for instance has a contrib sessions package but it's unmaintained and only select PRs are accepted. Sessions via redis aren't working anymore but since some packages depend on the exact package name of gin contrib sessions one would have to fork and fix both packages. I'm tried of this neglect and want an ecosystem that has not many but high quality packages. I'm also tired of working with half-assed packages like ent.

I feel like Java is where the professionals work and Go at first was full of very smart enthusiasts but now isn't anymore. They've moved to Rust as the next big thing and once they're done there they'll move to the next big thing. But Java albeit ugly and "ugh" is still there and it's used and expanded according to needs. The core is always hibernate and it has a long business history.

I've tried getting into Rust time and again but that ecosystem is even more desolate and the language just doesn't resonate with me.

The downside, JVM is swiss cheese security. If someone really wants to get at you they will.




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