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I’m not sure about Sweden. This week their king was on TV saying ‘we have failed’. Nearly 8,000 dead. This is not normal.



That is his opinion, which I disagree. I myself would not consider it 'failed'. Sweeden total death this year is not significantly different compared to previous year.


What are you taking about? Sweden reported that this November was the deadliest in the last 100 years since the Spanish flu in 1918. Compared to Norway, Sweden has 20x more deaths from covid (Sweden 8000 vs Norway 400 deaths) and Sweden has only 2x population (10M vs 5M). And Norway has a better GDP than Sweden despite stricter lockdown policies.


Number of death for 2020 are not significantly different than previous year:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-...

yes it said the dec 2020 data is only up to dec 11 but its unlikely that the number its going to be substantially increase with half month to go.

another stats:

death per million for 2020 is not much different compared to five year average:

https://legionsletters.com/mortality#SWEDEN-MORTALITY


Searching about I see data like yours and ones like those I include below, which show an excess. Why these differ, I don’t understand.

In your link, if you assume the death rate for the remainder of the year will remain static and calculate the end of year total (it’s roughly adding 5%) you get a number that looks like it spikes, but not hugely.

The below show a clear excess and a long tail after the spike in deaths.

https://www.efta.int/Publications/news/COVID-19-Excess-Morta...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-1112-0

https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/advance-article/doi/10.1093/...


A conspiracy theorist acquaintance of my sisters sent her data in our country that was wrong, same argument - look COVID-19 isn't killing anybody, it's a plot, blah bah. The raw data (weekly mortality) is published by government on a weekly basis and I just explained to my sister how to download it into Calc or Excel or whatever and see for herself.

One of the recurring things with conspiracy theorists is that they aren't in the least interested in fact checking. They're engaged in a search only for reassurance that they're correct, if you give conflicting data they keep searching but if any source will agree with them it must be right.

You probably shouldn't add only 5% based on the remaining days. Deaths stats are frequently preliminary for weeks or even a few months as reporting itself may be delayed (in particular right now if you're quarantined and a sick person passes peacefully regardless of cause what's the point of breaking quarantine to do paperwork more quickly? They aren't any more or less dead if you do the December 1st death paperwork on December 15th)


We'll see what the number end up, covid has spread since the beginning of this year, highly unlikely that in next 2 weeks suddenly the death jump significantly.

Also keep in mind that the excess death may or may not be due to covid alone.


> highly unlikely that in next 2 weeks suddenly the death jump significantly.

Is it? Cases have been spiking but deaths are going in the other direction or are flat lining. There is usually an increase in deaths about a month after covid cases go up.

Even conservative modelling predicts a lot more deaths (+50%) and less conservative models see a doubling or more.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden?view=total-deaths&tab=...




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