In a sci-fi future where people are making long journeys on spaceships I can imagine rooms decked out with these to mimic a natural day/night cycle and outdoor spaces.
I remember first seeing lights like these a couple years back before from CoeLux (https://www.coelux.com), iirc theirs are very expensive though. Awesome that this guy managed to DIY one!
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Riding the coattails of your comment to ask the hive mind: any reason I shouldn't try to build the simpler version from the tutorial using a more powerful (100W) LED from Amazon?
Don't forget that the volume of the device has a cost too. The video shows the construction of a really really nice, but takes up the whole hallway outside that room. Most of the time you'd probably prefer to use your hallway for walking in. On the other hand, maybe your house has an attic above one of your rooms that; there will be a lot less opportunity cost to using up that volume.
Use Fresnel lenses with a shorter focal length and reduce the depth.
It would be useful to start with a standard home-type window from, say, Home Depot, and build a unit about 120mm deep using multiple shorter focal length Fresnel lenses.[1] Then, in a basement or windowless room, mount some of these into a wall. Add curtains. Nice if your home office or workshop is in a basement.
This has commercial applications. Houses have few windowless rooms, but commercial structures have many.
The idea is to build this as a light box behind a standard windowpane frame. Like this one.[1] With a 120mm short focal length, the unit only needs to be about 150 - 200mm deep, if you angled the optics so you get light at a 30 degree angle or so. (Horizontal sun rays would look wrong.) That's a convenient size; you could hang it on a wall, like a rather bulky picture.
I have a chromatic film on my actual windows because I like the effect so there's technically a market for it , especially if it makes it cheaper and smaller
You'd still have to deal with the glare and chromatic aberration from the mirror sheets. Also the area covered would still be confined to the size of one sheet and you'd have to make a "bank" of them to cover any reasonably large area.
There's at least some evidence that LEDs can be more effective than sunlight at synthesizing D. There's a specific wavelength of light that triggers it and I'm not sure if a standard tanning bed emits it.
I’m confused by this comment. There is evidence that Vit D deficiencies have all sorts of health impacts, and that supplements raise in-blood levels.
What other evidence is needed?
Most things related to vitamin D are just correlation. If you are weak and frail you may not get out much and won’t have so much vitamin D. That doesn’t mean giving you vitamin D will make you strong. I heard that most studies don’t show benefits from vitamin D a supplements but maybe I’m wrong.
Oral vitamin D supplementation between 700 to 800 IU/d appears to reduce the risk of hip and any nonvertebral fractures in ambulatory or institutionalized elderly persons. An oral vitamin D dose of 400 IU/d is not sufficient for fracture prevention. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/20087...
High levels of vitamin D among middle-age and elderly populations are associated with a substantial decrease in cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome. If the relationship proves to be causal, interventions targeting vitamin D deficiency in adult populations could potentially slow the current epidemics of cardiometabolic disorders. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03785...
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At this point I got bored of looking at results (I omitted a few which only looked for correlations).
So while there is some evidence of some benefits for some people, I didn’t find evidence of vitamin d being the magic panacea that it sometimes feels it is claimed to be by people on the internet.
I think you need to add "among people with sufficient levels of vitamin D" to that statement.
It follows almost from definition that if you are deficient in something, supplementing that something is beneficial. There might be some exceptions, but then we've really just got deficient defined poorly or no effective method of supplementation.
I had a room in an apartment that had no sunlight, and was lusting after CoeLux after it launched. Almost goes without saying, but the first to manufacture an affordable solution at scale would make a ludicrous amount of money, especially with much of the world in lockdown.
If you're too lazy to build something like this out but like the idea I highly recommend bright LED lighting for the day (explained here: https://www.benkuhn.net/lux/). I bought two ~7000 lumens LED corn bulbs and have noticed a huge shift in energy levels from having a brightly-lit room in dark PNW days. I put together a bunch of resources when I was researching buying some here: https://www.notion.so/vimota/LED-World-fce39f79710b42708b92a...
I did something similar to this but was turned away from using random bulbs off of Amazon since most of them lied about their product performance (advertising peak wattage of all the LEDs and then not driving them at max power), safety certifications (fake UL and ETL markings), and in several cases I could not even find valid business licenses where the companies claimed to be incorporated. I need light for the darkness of winter but not at the expense of burning down the house.
Instead, I ended up buying a string light[0] and a box of 1600lm daylight LED bulbs[1]. Installation sucks, but once the whole thing is up, it’s nice that the light is distributed throughout the room instead of coming from a single point source. It was (at least at the time) cheaper than buying corn lights—and as a bonus, you can swap back the bulbs that come with the string light for party lighting.
On the higher end, I've been pretty happy with an Eve Light Strip [1]. However that's HomeKit-only. The key option we're looking for is RGBWW (with 2 different "temperature" whites) for a wider range and more natural lighting. We've been considering various more flexible light strip arrangements, but as GP noted, the market is flooded with low-reliability options.
Luckily, we've stumbled upon Sowilo [2], which advertises powerful RGBWW LED strips with appropriate specs (with per-meter max brightness and power consumption listed), provide all the components you need for powering and driving the strips you need, and best of all provide a Hue-integrated controller! (likely from scavenging an actual Hue LED strip controller!). We've ordered a kit last week, and are eagerly anticipating testing out the ~13000lm of purported light.
I actually purchased the 35,000 lumen corn bulb mentioned in the post you linked to. It's actually really big and awkward to place and has kind of a loud fan. Currently I have it propped in a corner since it's too heavy to be held by anything that I have to support it. But it will light up a bedroom just as much as a window of sun will. It doesn't look entirely like sunlight, but for the price, it does an adequate job.
EDIT: To answer my own question, it's because the Amazon bulb actually uses 250W while the Home Depot product listings are "250W equivalent" and only use ~50W. Hence the 5X difference in light output.
Seconding this, although I only bought one giant 14k lumen corn cob, since I didn't have a good spot to put the second. Anecdotally, they've been great at staving off my usual post-lunch slump.
Right around the same time as I got it, though, I started waking up much earlier naturally, without an alarm clock (shifting from ~9AM natural wake up to more like ~6AM). I'm careful about turning the corncob off no later than 6PM, and the earlier wake up time might be unrelated, but I was wondering if others had experienced a similar phenomenon with extended, consistent exposure to super bright lights during the day.
Sounds very interesting - i am currently in Europe and can see that the price is about 350 usd, and you can get versions from 3000 (warm) to 6400 kelvin (sunlight?).
What kelvin did you choose, and how large is your room? Did you put something in front of the lamp to diffuse?
Looking forward to get out of the lockdown slump! :)
My diy lamp shade has been wrapping parchment paper around the LED corn bulb (making sure to leave space for airflow so it doesn't overheat!). It's not perfect but it helps diffuse the light and make it less intense to look at.
The one I got is 5k kelvin, which was advertised as sunlight as well, and is about as cold as I can take. If I had to buy it again I probably would get something slightly warmer, tbh. I've got a lampshade on it that diffuses the light at the cost of attenuating it a bunch, but it hasn't lessened the effectiveness as far as I can tell.
I was looking into this last year, but couldn't really find anything similar here in Sweden (or anywhere in the EU). I wonder if there are some regulation here banning ultra high lumen bulbs? The closest match have been on semi-sketchy sites, where they've been ≈ 300 euro for 10k lumen...
Ah, nice. I recognise the brand of the lamp from earlier research. I read this post just now https://meaningness.com/metablog/sad-light-led-lux, where he's using ≈ car lights. That got me thinking about construction lights, they are apparently much cheaper. But not sure about the Color Rendering Index. Here [1] we have 8000 for 600 sek, but not in as a nice design maybe...
I also looked into this and ended up being successful when searching for photography lights and corn cob LEDs. Corn cob bulbs at 40-60 Watts each are cheap (~20USD in the UK), provide ~4K lumens each, and 2-3 are bright enough to get to daylight levels. Would highly recommend if you want to see whether it makes any difference, and/or which colors temp works best.
I'm curious if the lack of heat in the lightrays will ruin the immersion of sunlight? Perhaps couple this with an IR heatlamp to add the real feel of sunrays hitting your skin?
The main issue is the blue scattering. If you can get away with pre-scattering the light before it hits the dish adding an IR lamp is no issue since you're using a parabolic mirror which has no diffraction. I have no idea if it 'feels' right doing that though.
For full immersion you would also want a number of different light sources since leds are have very narrow spectra.
The method proposed in the video already accounts for the narrow LED spectra by using lights that have excellent color reproduction (the part where he recommends a CR rating of 95%+)
To answer anyone looking at this now: the Rayleigh scattering needs to produce diffuse light [0]. Which actually makes the project easier to pull off since you just need to place secondary lights all around the roof and walls of the room that emit AM1.5 diffuse light globally and not worry about any sort of filtering on the main light, which you need to match to AM1.5 direct.
Yes, patio heaters are very cheap. Such an infrared emitter would have been a very easy addition to this project, at the cost of doubling the power draw.
If you have access to a broken LED TV or monitor, or in some cases CFC, you can just buy these. Search for "led panel light", and you can find them in all sorts of sizes.
I was looking at building one last winter, but on CraigsList people tend to overestimate the worth of a TV with a broken screen. "Awesome 4K TV, paid $1200 3 months ago, just need to replace broken screen, $250." You gotta talk them out of that with a "A new panel costs more than buying the whole TV."
You can also buy just fresnel lenses on Amazon, but then you gotta build the and line it with foil.
I wonder if you could make a better fresnel version, with less chromatic aberration by using a more expensive lens? The parabolic version is cool, but extremely unwieldily...
Also, are there fresnel lenses with a much shorter focal length? The dream would be to have something like this in a ≈ 10 cm (4 in) thick picture frame hung on the wall...
I thought there was some people building things similar to this (not as bright) and they were using lenses from the front of LCD TVs. But I may be remembering the details wrong.
Check out Edmund Optics. They do have precision fresnels but they're tiny.
The lenses I've seen at EO have focal lengths that aren't much shorter than the side length---20cm for 25cm sheets. I'm pretty sure this is a limitation on the refractive index plus maybe the precision required for steep incidence angles.
Part of me is like, no way I want that, it isn't natural. And the other part is like, yes way I want that, what I do with indoor lighting isn't natural anyways!
And I think they really could be a good option. Unlike the lenses, there would be no chromatic aberration with a reflector, right? Plus, you can set the focal length to whatever you want (taking practicality into account of course).
If you could find two parabolic mirrors with a focal length difference of less than a couple of inches, I suspect you could take the middle of the short focus one and the outside of the longer focus one and stack them concentrically, to get a flatter dish.
Honestly for this use case, just sliced and stacked a single dish would give you mostly-collimated light, right? If you put this behind a mild diffuser you could probably still trick your brain unto thinking it's sunlight coming through the curtains.
I wonder this as well, perhaps it's a problem related to manufacturing shrinking sized concentric steps?
If my understanding is correct, fresnel lenses effectively operate as a larger lense surface by concentrating light with flat or curved steps getting smaller in size packed towards the core.
Unless I’m mistaken, you should be able to invert a fresnel lens stamp, make the same plastic lens and then silver it, so now it’s a concave mirror instead of a convex lens.
Interestingly I posted this 2 days ago but it dropped into the ether.
Ever since I seen it I've become convinced something similar will be part of a future garden office I'm planning. With a IR panel heater to add the warming effect. I was also wondering about whether UVB could be incorporated by but frankly I'd be too chicken to mess with that.
I suppose you could buy a big Fresnel lens and then cut out a square near the side, and only use that; it would focus the light but also change the angle.
There are flat sheets of prisms, that do what you need there. You probably know them from pictures you had as a child that change what they display depending on the angle you are looking under.
Also I think those are sodium lights. More or less a single wavelength, hence the monochrome (yellow and black) look. Just about as far opposite to daylight as you can get!
It was a semicircle against a mirrored ceiling which is a neat trick to double the effect. People naturally lay on the floor like being on a beach and saw themselves reflected back way overhead.
Yes that's exactly what I thought of seeing this! It was so miserably cold and sleeting the day I went and inside it felt like an oasis. Everyone lying on the floor basking in front of that giant sun.
Ah, I have fond memories of that, a favourite for me too. I wish it was a permanent exhibit. His exhibition there last year was just great too with lots of light used in different ways.
A fun modification would be to add a mask directly in front of the LED to change its shape, for instance to mimic the weird crescent shadow effect that many of us saw during the last solar eclipse.
Some other fun things to do with it would be to point it through some plants in front of a fan to get the filtered-light-through-leaves effect, or to shine it onto moving water.
I set something similar to this (didn't to be blue light scattering) for a friend who suffered from SAD (seasonal affective disorder) but had to stay living in Washington state for job reasons. They already had a basement with two sky lights and we used Cree 95 CRI LED stripss with a "2d parabola" (they were re-purposed from a concentrated solar project). It didn't do the 'sun at a distance' effect either, but the light quality was enough to get them through the winter while staying productive.
How about one for moonlight? My room doesn't have windows, and the nightlights I've tried are too harsh and make it harder to go back to sleep after waking up in the middle of the night.
Leds aren’t a good source of full spectrum light. Metal hallide bulbs are the way to go. 250-400 ways worth has a fantastic warm glow. Bonus points you can grow stuff under them really well
wouldn't that put out a lot of heat? like a lot a lot? that's one of the attractions of LEDs for lighting is they can produce a hell of a lot of light with very little heat coming from the bulb. all of the heat is in the electronics in the back. anything in front of the light will not wilt. of course, i'm thinking in terms of photo/video.
you're missing the fact that that is the key point. the heat that is generated is not pointed at the person in front of the light. in photo/video, this is huge. talent/models don't sweat from standing in front of the lights. food products don't melt/wilt under the heat either. nobody really cares about the heat pointed away from the subjects.
For photography I agree. But if you're trying to create a "sun at home" because you don't have enough light/no chance to get sunlight, to feel the warm of the light can be nice...
The reason that people are deficient is because they don't take enough - the US RDA was shown to be 10x too low, due to an arithmetic error in an ancient paper.
This is an important problem that doesn't get the attention it should.
Quality high density, and dense time based living is the way forward for the poor to the rich. Be it sleeping downtown in NY city to working suburbs in Hong Kong. Good for efficiency and this is good for mental health.
He did another video of something similar using diffusers instead from a busted monitor. I wonder if you could add a very thin layer of blue tape on the acrylic layer to achieve a similar effect?
Couldn't this potentially dangerously amplify ambient RF if you follow the author's advice of re-using an antenna dish & covering it with a non-conductive reflective vinyl coating?
It certainly won’t amplify anything since the only powered component is the LED.
It might concentrate RF at the focus to some degree, but only if you put your head right at the focus, and even then it’s almost certainly orders of magnitude less exposure than using a cell phone.
Does anyone here have personal experience with CoeLux? I would like to know 1) how realistic does the light look 2) how much did it cost and 3) how easy was it to install.
Taking it as given he's pre-armed to be enthusiastic, he projects a sense the experiential outcome is good:
Yes, he's biassed. No, that doesn't mean he was lying. The realism is about the subjective experience. If you went into the room, you probably would feel "this isn't bad" before you went to Meh.
I remember first seeing lights like these a couple years back before from CoeLux (https://www.coelux.com), iirc theirs are very expensive though. Awesome that this guy managed to DIY one!