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It’s already not true on mobile generally. No view source, no extensions, no user injected scripts. You get the page the server wants you to see.


Firefox is an exception here, which really underscores it's importance


yep, and that's why it is set as my primary browser, sadly integrated browser in the apps is still chrome :/


Android: firefox for android, or the plethora of adblock browsers out there

iOS: adblockers are natively supported through "content blockers", plus there's a plethora of adblock browsers


But not possible in native apps which have largely supplanted the use of web pages.


Users can still choose not to install native apps. For as long as the web remains free, I’ll happily support newspapers, magazines, YT Premium and Patreon with my dollars, while absolutely not using the apps with ads in them, in favour of using 3 different content blocking extensions in Safari, and Strict privacy mode in Edge with uBlock Origin on desktop.

That said, because ads are inserted by third parties, you can often block ads with DNS and/or VPN. It’s a shame that iOS has never allowed changing the DNS while on mobile networks, though.

Really though, I miss when we were building open standards for content though, like RSS and podcasts.

Feels like a different era of the Internet, as we never saw an open standard take off for ChromeCast/AirPlay2 or the mentioned-on-stage open standards for FaceTime. Even the RIAA is trying to lock down music again by promoting MQA (Tidal) over FLAC (HDtracks, Amazon).

Closest thing to “open” that I can think of recently for content would be HLS streaming, which optionally supports encryption, but is otherwise open to use or implement.

Given recent history, I think it could go either way, but I doubt users will ever fully accept a closed web, so as long as the web provides open alternatives on every platform, we’ll still be in the clear... for now. :)


As long as websites continue letting you access them on mobile without the app…


A lot of them try really hard not to. A reason for the "show desktop-version" setting's popularity. It's really sad that this has to be a thing, and doesen't really remedy the situation, more like a bandaid.


I wish Request Desktop Site would also fake a larger viewport width, maybe 1024px or so.

Without that, it’s becoming increasingly less useful IMO.


When I need fake desktop width I tend to use iCab. I suppose you could accomplish something similar with a Shortcut injecting/changing HTML using JS.


On Android there are options such as the open source Blokada [1] that abuse the VPN features to block ads in all apps.

[1] https://blokada.org/


DNS level adblocking is possible untill DNS over HTTPS becomes the standard.


> or the plethora of adblock browsers out there

I use Brave, is there another someone likes more?


I use Kiwi browser, which supports all chrome extensions.


Firefox on Android at least gives you add-ons (hello, uBlock Origin).


Or DNS66 to do it for mostly everywhere in Android.

The only reason that's possible is because of open web standards though so the point still stands.


This largely only really true on Android. iOS at least lets you install content blockers that work with Safari as well as any embedded web browsers within apps. The only place I typically see ads on iOS is in free to play games, and in those cases that's usually a pretty good incentive to play something else.


> iOS at least lets you install content blockers that work with Safari as well as any embedded web browsers within apps.

Only if the app uses SFSafariViewController.


On Android you have DNS66 (non-root) and AdAway (root), both can kill ads in browsers + webviews + native apps.


Somehow people will find a way. If we can't have a universal browser, maybe the answer is to make a browser for every web service. We can make custom apps that pretend to be the official ones while interfacing with the company's servers.

Whatever it takes to maintain control.


Does anyone really have the time and motivation? It seems like so far there aren't any alternative clients (basic web wrappers don't count) for services that need it the most - think WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram, etc?


> Does anyone really have the time and motivation?

I don't know if anyone has tried. It's definitely possible, though.

I used to play some of those predatory mobile games. At some point I got sick of their addictive "daily tasks" game design and decided to automate all of it. I intercepted the game's network traffic: it was just JSON. Didn't take long to write software to talk to the server and do the tasks for me.

Any code that's running on the client can be tampered with or replaced. It's probably not going to be easy but it's certainly possible.

> WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram

WhatsApp is already among the best messaging services. It doesn't really do anything that would motivate people to replace it with something better. Having custom software which lacks the remote message deletion feature would be interesting but it would be too much work for too little gain.

I don't use Facebook and Instagram enough to have an opinion.


On the upside, some content of independent authors is largely supported via avenues like Patreon and tips, not ads.

Most of the websites I produce do not have ads on them. I don't make much money, but I do make some and it's better than it used to be. I'm hopeful that there will be more of a trend towards small content producers making enough to survive and we can begin to crowd out the "cancer" that is some of the worst commercialized stuff.

It doesn't have to go away completely. We can just refuse to let it choke everything.


Thank goodness for my pi hole, but unfortunately that only works at my home network! I'm always unpleasantly surprised whenever I leave the safety of 192.168.1.1


Put your PiHole in the cloud. There's no place like 127.0.0.1.


You could also use a VPN to your home network.


You can view source with Firefox on Android. You can also use add-ons to block ads. I haven't tried anything like GreaseMonley for userscripts though.


Safari has robust ad-blocking support built in and good ad blockers even have inspectors to let you block custom elements.




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