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> I lived in Belgium for a while, a country that still has data caps on landline connections, and moved to Germany last year. I have not been able to find an ISP even remotely equivalent across three countries.

I had the same issue when I moved to the UK; no equivalent ISP that I could find. Very disappointing :-(

The entire thing reminds me of the Laurus debacle[1]; KPN wants to be a "consistent" brand, but in doing so they are alienating a small yet sizeable and incredibly loyal customer base. I was an XS4ALL customer for almost 15 years: from the moment I got my first apartment until I left the country. I never considered switching.

[1]: https://www.npostart.nl/andere-tijden/26-05-2018/VPWON_12836... (Dutch)




For anyone still looking do consider Andrews and Arnold: https://www.aaisp.net.uk

IMHO they’re the closest equivalent to this today (and have been for some time).

Also not the cheapest, and I must confess I don’t actually use them myself, but several friends and coworkers swear by them.


Seconding this.

They're not the cheapest in the market, but their market positioning is pro-privacy, anti-censorship, high customer service for expert users.

My connection with them has proved very reliable. I haven't had much cause to use their support, but when I have they've been helpful and communicative.


For plain ADSL they look to be about 40% more than others IIRC, £35 vs £25 (and they have setup fees).

In the past when I've looked they've appeared to be amongst the most expensive.


Demon Internet were the closest thing to xs4all. They were the only ISP who could provide me ADSL when I lived in the UK. Back the BT had marked our entire new build housing estate as being too far from the exchange to get it despite the fact that we had fibre up to the last 100 meters or so.

For five years I was the only person there who had ADSL.

In The Netherlands I've been a loyal customer of xs4all for 12 years now but with this move I've signed up to Ziggo. Got to hit KPN where it hurts.



I would follow you except I made the move the other way around to hit Ziggo where it hurts.


That's why I originally switched to xs4all, because chello were being dumb.

But with Ziggo offering 500/50 lines for the same price as xs4all's ADSL and this move..

It's sad that we're going into the dark ages over the internet :(


ADSL2 is max 24 mbit. You probably mean VDSL2. If you can get fiber, Xs4all's 500/500 costs only 3,50 EUR more than Ziggo's 500/50. VDSL2 is max 200/20 and that package costs 58,50 EUR. Which is 4,50 EUR a month more expensive than Ziggo's 200/20 which is 54 EUR. If you want TV the comparison becomes terrible (for Xs4all) but the interactive TV is KPN's anyway.


i moved also to ziggo. kpn has got shit lines. ziggo is not too bad these days and kpn only breaks good things. look at their track record of company take overs and you will see what i mean.


+1 also for GreenNet, a small UK isp whose been going since the 1980s and offer rock solid static ip ADSL and fibre. Their support is great, the time I needed to call them I literally dialled straight through to one of their engineers. They use renewable energy and you use your own router.

https://www.greennet.org.uk/




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