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Was that really a good thing? Active Directory in enterprise environments keep the hackers happy


I didn't know what the Active Directory is until now, although I found its Wikipedia page. Is it known for being insecure?


Not really, in 2024. GP is presenting a caricature.


Cookiewall, Paywall and German. Needs a better link


Android user since ~2010 (before that, Symbian).. I tried one of Apple's "Pro" phones with IOS 2021, last year I went back to Android and back to freedom even if it is Google's walled garden. Still, being able to control many aspects of the phone (choice of browser, do I need to mention different volume controls, can compile own stuff, automation) is unbeatable. To me using iPhone left me with the same crippled feeling that I would have if someone forced me to use Windows on a computer. On the plus side, my screen time was actually lower during those two years..


> ..even if it is Google's walled garden.

But it isn't.

As an owner of the device, you can install anything you want on it, from any source you'd like.


Fair enough


"After exfiltrating the /data partition we turned our attention to the rest of the device. This is probably a good time to point out what base operating system Ivanti is using: CentOS 6.4; which was released in 2013 and officially end of life in 2020. You read that correctly: Pulse Secure runs an 11-year-old version of Linux which hasn’t been supported since November 2020. More on this later."

It seem popular in corporate environments to just rely on vendors and their binary blobs.. not at all surprised to see such findings.


Yes? As opposed to, what? You need to think back 15–20 years ago, people needed VPNs to remote into company networks, that's why there are so many Cisco ASA's out there, and they just keep chugging along.

Sure NOW there is zscaler and cloudflare tunnels and wireguard, but those are fairly new and companies don't want to rip out gear “that works”


Apple ambassadors comes in 3, 2, 1.. to defend even this ridiculous fee that Apple plans to introduce. "..but what about Google.."


Ridiculous fee for for-profit companies that want to sell their software for free, aka where you are the product?

Sorry, I won’t be crying that no MetaStore will be financially possible. But an FDroid alternative can work, and that’s the only thing I wanted (and many end-users who didn’t even know they wanted it)


F-Droid or just give me a repository. Something of the sort pkgsrc to let me install the tools I want to have on my phone.


I just wish it was possible to make an order from Sweden


Also, Google doesn't have a developer fee. How's that Apple both have 30% commission and a "membership" fee - https://developer.apple.com/support/enrollment/

Unfortunately, many corporations only leave the choice of Windows or Macos. Open source operating systems are treated like 3rd class passengers..


Google does have a developer fee. It’s a one-off fee rather than a yearly fee, but they do have it.

https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ...


Developer fee for the Play Store yes, but no developer fee for using the open stores (although I'm well aware that in certain environments it is disallowed to use other than the Play Store) or developing local apps.


What more vulnerabilities hides in the proprietary UEFI?

I have no interest whatsoever to install MS Windows, is there any motherboards out there for AMD64/X86_64 that comes without UEFI/BIOS?


> is there any motherboards out there for AMD64/X86_64 that comes without UEFI/BIOS?

Your computer needs UEFI/BIOS for hardware initialization and launching your boot process.

There is a open implementation tho, see https://libreboot.org/

> The Libreboot project provides free, open source (libre) boot firmware based on coreboot, replacing proprietary BIOS/UEFI firmware on specific Intel/AMD x86 and ARM based motherboards, including laptop and desktop computers. It initialises the hardware (e.g. memory controller, CPU, peripherals) and starts a bootloader for your operating system.


> What more vulnerabilities hides in the proprietary UEFI?

Most UEFI vulnerabilities seem to come from bugs in the open source reference implementation making it down to the proprietary firmware.

That said: as much as you would expect from any low-level C program. I hope that EDK will eventually find itself rewritten in a safer language to it easier to spot mistakes. I would say Rust would be the best fit, but I admit that it's not a perfect fit; sadly, we lack safe low-level languages.

As for running without UEFI/BIOS: most ARM devices have an alternate bootloader (usually uBoot with some proprietary magic) but I don't know if that's much better. This approach usually requires per-device support from the operating system you want to install.


> I would say Rust would be the best fit, but I admit that it's not a perfect fit; sadly, we lack safe low-level languages.

Rust is a safe low-level language. You can start writing your UEFI implementation in rust today [1], [2]

> As for running without UEFI/BIOS: most ARM devices have an alternate bootloader

UEFI/BIOS is not a bootloader, they initialize hardware and then pass on responsibility to a bootloader. Popular bootloaders are the Windows bootloader, grub, etc etc.

1: https://rust-osdev.github.io/uefi-rs/HEAD/

2: https://github.com/rust-osdev/uefi-rs/tree/main/template


Rust is _a_ safe language, but if you're interacting with a lot of low-level hardware, you end up with a lot of unsafe {} code and manual analysis that takes away some of the advantages.

I see Rust as a C++ replacement more than a C replacement. I'm not sure if object oriented languages (well, "struct with functions" in Rust's case) with vtables and dynamic allocation and the like are a good match for that kind of code. Rust, as a language, simply can't deal with running out of memory; all allocations are assumed to succeed, which is a dangerous assumption, especially in low-level code like this.

Unfortunately, we don't really have a common C replacement with Rust-like safety guarantees. I'm hoping Zig will be able to provide some safety to the C ecosystem, but it's still a ways away from 1.0.

> UEFI/BIOS is not a bootloader

You're right, I meant "bootstrapping system". I'm sure there's better terminology here but the word escapes me at the moment.


Rust, as a language, doesn’t know anything about heap allocation. The “running out of memory” stuff you’re talking about is a feature of some APIs of the standard library, which you often completely forego in an embedded context. Or you can use the (still unstable, to be fair) APIs that return results instead. This is what the Linux kernel is doing, for example. It was a hard line for Linus, but didn’t prove to be an obstacle in the end.


Rust as a pure language perhaps not, but Rust as an ecosystem, has a standard UEFI alloc/dealloc system: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/library/std/sr...

One could, of course, write their own allocator and heap tracking system as part of the UEFI firmware, or reimplement the entire thing without any of the standard library and simply relying on the core library, but if you want to deal with fallibility, you'll have to reimplement every part of the language toolkit and use Option<> or Result<> for every API call, which would only complicate the rewrite more.


Yes, that is part of the standard library interfaces I was referring to.

> you'll have to reimplement every part of the language toolkit

You shouldn't need to, those APIs already exist. Like https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/std/boxed/struct.Box.html#m... for example. Maybe there's some coverage missing, I personally use no heap when I'm working in this context.


Some piece of code has to configure the CPU, initialize memory before you can even think about loading an OS...



Framework has open sourced the EC firmware, not the boot firmware. The UEFI implementation is still closed source proprietary InsydeH2O software.


Yes, but at least they're making soothing noises about going in that direction. Here's notes on coreboot work: https://community.frame.work/t/responded-coreboot-on-the-fra...

The chromebook variant already runs coreboot, with all changes upstreamed: https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop-chr...


I do like the direction that Framework is going and I hope they will deliver to more countries during 2024.



My Librem 14 laptop came with coreboot/Pureboot.


Did you read the article about how this is a bug in the open source reference implementation ?

You're going to need firmware anyway, otherwise your OS implements the firmware responsibilities, and you then GOTO 1, and have other problems.


How come that this is the first time (might have visited that site several years ago, recognize the CSS in some way) that I hear about lobster.rs? Is the site entirely by invitation or are there at least a couple yearly signup openings?


Sign up is solely via invitation by existing members


Thanks, I'll keep my eyes open for existing members that I might know then


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