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If you pay a “living” wage, prices of goods will go up, and soon it will no longer be a “living” wage.


This entire discussion is about the price of goods going up even though people aren't being paid a living wage, so I'm not sure what argument you're making.


That depends on what "living wage" actually means.

What you describe is one of my concerns with UBI, but the devil is very much in the detail.


I don't think there's a linear scaling — unless you think somehow wages are the only expense for companies like Walmart.


There is also land and capital, of course, but it is not very often that the landlords don't also want a raise when labor starts making more money. That is their living, after all. For all intents and purposes there is only labor.

Granted, you can often play political games with labor, such as only raising the wages of workers in the USA, while leaving the labor making the plastic trinkets in who knows what third-world country to continue to struggle. In that sense, it doesn't necessarily happen linearly. Not really achieving the goal of a "living" wage then, though.


Did they mention copying photos from your phone to a PC via USB? This is intentionally crippled and such an unpleasant experience in comparison to the experience if you have a Mac, for me at least.



> - Upgrade to Windows 11, our most secure operating system ever!

This one should be in comparison to Windows 10 wrt benchmark.


The problem is "secure" is a vague term and thus easy to gamify.

eg is it secure because of fewer CVEs? You'd probably expect fewer CVEs because it is newer, so that doesn't mean it is more "secure" in any meaningful way but it's definitely an easy position to defend if someone were to challenge Microsoft's claim.


Look up the number of CVEs by OS and you'll find the results are... amusing.


Not if the claim contains "ever". They would need to prove that Windows 11 has fewer vulnerabilities than e.g. MS-DOS 6.22.


how secure is MS-DOS 6.22 though. sure, there's no networking access, but is the code secure in other ways? what kind of code was just never exposed to fully reveal how fragile they were? there has always been software slightly less fragile than a house of cards. people were just much less incentivized to poke them the way they are today


What he said probably cannot be verified, even. On another note, has anyone noticed how Pichai likes to take pictures in front of others’ work for the media [1]? To me, it’s a weird feeling—- like someone taking credit for others’ work.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/23/google-quantum-computing...


Eh, that's kinda normal. Just because the queen shows up to get photographed cutting a ribbon at a new university building, doesn't mean anyone imagines she laid any bricks or tiled any bathrooms.

The photo you linked to is only confusing because he's not wearing a suit. Chuck that guy in a suit, have him look on politely as someone in a high-vis vest or a lab coat points at something, and this photo would be one among thousands.


> Chuck that guy in a suit, have him look on politely as someone in a high-vis vest or a lab coat points at something, and this photo would be one among thousands.

That would be different. In that situation it is clear who is doing the work, and who is providing the money.

But posing in front of a widget, he is signaling to the world, “I made this”.


Or from another perspective, it's weird when the Queen does it too.


It makes more sense if the queen is just a mascot for $country. The whole country got together and made it, but its not practical to get everyone on the photo. So you put a crown on some random person to make clear she's a representation of the whole country, not a real person (at that instant).

What's missing here is the crown/suit/...


I think there is some ideology attached to how "normal" that would be, and whether someone accepts the "mascot" analogy.

If society were very focused on worker's rights and the recognition of the necessity of labor, such as in an idealized socialist society or a society with a predominance of worker cooperatives in the economy, then the idea of having a monarch or CEO of a company standing in front of the hard work of people whose names are not mentioned and whose faces are not pictured would seem absurd. You would expect and indeed commonly see photos showing many workers in front of the item in question.

Just as an example I went to the wikipedia page for the Tennessee Valley Authority, and it was quick to find what I would expect: a photo of a large group of workers in front of a dam they constructed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority#/me...

Or you might find a focused photo of a worker who is one of the people who built the thing, and representative of the type of workers on the project:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority#/me...

I say this just to say, sure it can "make sense" but I think this is an artifact of the world we live in, where we have a hierarchical government and most firms in our economy are themselves hierarchical in nature. And so when the person at the top of the hierarchy stands for a photo op in front of the thing, we naturally accept that they serve as a "representation" of the output of the company.

But someone with a more worker-focused view would be more inclined to see that and find it off-putting. For the photo of Sundar Pichai up thread, I do in fact find it irritating that they don't even mention the people who were involved with the project he is standing in front of. And wouldn't you know it, I am a very pro-worker in inclination.


Huh, he is the CEO of Google posing with Google's quantum computer. Unless someone is inventing the universe there will always be others' work where ever one poses.


To your last question, I suspect neither. I think screener was inaccurate.


I would think they feel great. Share price is going through the roof purely based on hype.


But they've been told no pay rise and yet are taking on all of OpenAI's team with no interview process


Microsoft's share price is almost exactly the same today as it was before any of the drama happened, while the S&P 500 is up half a percent.


We’re looking at different msft stocks then because msft is basically flat from 5 days ago.


Microsoft hit all time highs just on the possibility that they hire Altman. It almost certainly didn’t go even higher because it’s still not a sure thing. If it actually happens I think the market will value Microsoft even higher.


Microsoft hit all time highs because the market has been on a three week rip.


Yes. I was responding to the question about how the employees feel, and they feel great, precisely because all time highs (let’s ignore openai’s impact for now). Wrt openai, why should msft employees feel bad to have openai colleagues who can help further increase share price?

Wrt whether it’s just the market itself or openai, note that news of sama’s firing caused ms shares a steep drop. Then news of sama’s employment with msft help set the share price at least back to where it was before.


No raises for everyone but they did give promotions out.


Yes, in the past they would find positions internally.


Packet-switched. :P


> The most sloppy driving I've ever seen is in the us. People weaving in and out of their lane staring at a phone, people driving into ditches, driving through building walls in parking lots you name it. The reality is that many people just should not be driving a car but are forced to by abysmal american infrastructure and even worse city planning.

Likely in some case they were driving under the influence vs being on the phone.


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