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IMHO, you're talking about 2 very different things. I would guess that the maps difference was due to devices (not sure if MacOS users even use Apple Maps with any frequency compared to opening up maps.google.com in a browser, but I'm guessing most iOS users are too lazy and complacent to use google maps). Also, it's hard to recognize and understand the differences in the various mapping apps.

OTOH, it's pretty easy to tell the difference in the first few minutes (or first few searches) between various search sites. Heck, the difference in the search engine having a better idea of what you're looking for based on previous searches (or ad related data) alone can make it more compelling to continue using the same search engine.

My personal example is that I try to switch to DDG every so often (maybe several months in between), but I get dissatisfied with the results and start wondering if I'm just getting bad at search or Google knows me better or Google is just better at finding the things that people want in general.

Just the fact (for me) that I consider that Google generally gives me better results makes me wonder if all the talk of Google search getting worse is just complaints based on heightened expectations, feelings or the landscape of content on the internet in general instead of "is Google search getting worse?"


"Instagram democratizes the mental illness that used to only affect child stars and the hollywood famous."

Wow. I have problems with Instragram, but I've never tried to sum it up into a single statement and while this is rather specific and may not include all the problems I _feel_ are there, it really does bring home the main issue, for me. A little snark in there about democratizing, as some people will always put a positive spin on such things, which I feel is totally appropriate here.

Just... The comment could have stopped right there and been as or more impactful (for me). Thanks. :)


> Wow. I have problems with Instragram

I remember that for a few months before my partner broke up with me, their IG feed was full of reels, posts, 'comedy', 'psychology tips', about people complaining about their partners. And also lots of Insta influencers posts giving relationship tips or encouraging people to break up for diverse reasons.

While I'm aware my relationship wasn't perfect, the standards promoted by those aesthetic Insta influencers were really impossible to obtain in real life. Unless of course your life consisted only of perfectly curated Insta moments.


> While I'm aware my relationship wasn't perfect, the standards promoted by those aesthetic Insta influencers were really impossible to obtain in real life.

In the 4 months I dabbled with Instagram, I was shocked by how toxic and outright false the pop psychology memes were. They were stereotypical, frequently backwards, and deliberately misapplied. And all of that is before the cluster-B LARPing.

"Your partner won't give you access to their financial accounts? That's domestic violence, and he probably has Narcissistic Personality Disorder too! What's his is yours, so just use his credit card to book plane tickets without asking and remember that him yelling at you about it is verbal abuse, so get out while you still can before he starts beating you! And remember abuse thrives in secrecy-- so make sure you tell everybody how he was so aggressive that you were in constant fear for your life!"

Sorry you were on the receiving end of [whatever your case is]. Not even the strongest of relationships can withstand reinforcement of sentiments as corrosive as Instagram, where you're a useless piece of shit if you can't/won't support your partner's ambitions of joining the jet set.

You lost your partner to a cult. They're called "followers" for a reason. It starts with separating victims from their loved ones...


I saw a youtube short like this. It was a video demonstrating the "perfect" guy. It started reasonable, with him saying "oh can you check this on my phone? the passcode is XYZ"

Yeah, I would have trusted my current-wife then-girlfriend with my phone passcode pretty early on, no big deal. She didn't feel the need to know it, but casually telling it to her so she could do something with it is probably a thing that happened.

But it started to veer completely weird after that, about abandoning all his friends and stuff. It turned into a giant WTF for me.


> But it started to veer completely weird after that, about abandoning all his friends and stuff. It turned into a giant WTF for me.

Yeah, this is exactly what I'm talking about. It's long-game triangulation, which is little more than domestic violence perpetrated by the other partner. But men are supposed to feel ashamed of themselves if they're not willing to just blindly go along with it.

The irony is, they call this sort of victim the "ideal" guy, while simultaneously deriding him as a "simp" to the rest of their cliques. It's loathesome. I pity anybody involved in the dating game these days.


> It's long-game triangulation, which is little more than domestic violence perpetrated by the other partner.

No.

Domestic violence is domestic violence.

“Long game triangulation” is manipulative behaviour. It is not domestic violence.

Domestic violence is having your mother beat your skull with one of those maglite baton torches the police use.

Saying things that aren’t violence are violence is exactly the kind of awful behaviour others in this thread are complaining about.


Domestic violence is more than one thing, and it includes psychological abuse. Not all violence is physical.


No, domestic violence is only one thing, that thing is domestic violence. All violence is physical. Other forms of abuse that are not physical are not violence.

If we have a verbal confrontation one of us has hurt feelings. If it turns violent, there is actual violence. Words have meanings.

You can care about other types of abuse. You should care about other types of abuse.

But claiming things that aren’t violent are violent steals resources - not just awareness but potentially money, police time and medical attention from victims of domestic violence.

This is massively wrong at best and evil at worst.


> Words have meanings.

Yes. Here's the meaning of "domestic violence" according to some authoritative sources:

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https://www.un.org/en/coronavirus/what-is-domestic-abuse

> Domestic abuse, also called "domestic violence" [...]. Abuse is physical, sexual, emotional, economic or psychological actions or threats of actions that influence another person.

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https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/violence-ag...

> Intimate partner violence refers to behaviour by an intimate partner or ex-partner that causes physical, sexual or psychological harm, including physical aggression, sexual coercion, psychological abuse and controlling behaviours

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https://www.justice.gov/ovw/domestic-violence

> Domestic violence can be physical, sexual, emotional, economic, psychological, or technological actions or threats of actions or other patterns of coercive behavior that influence another person within an intimate partner relationship

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence

> It can assume multiple forms, including physical, verbal, emotional, economic, religious, reproductive, or sexual abuse.


Yes. The misuse of terms you've shown is exactly the concern I and other victims of domestic violence have.

Meanwhile, here the Oxford English Dictionary:

    violence, n.

    1. a. The exercise of physical force so as to inflict injury on, or cause damage to, persons or property; action or conduct characterized by this; treatment or usage tending to cause bodily injury or forcibly interfering with personal freedom.
You are indirectly supporting domestic violence by manipulating the definition of violence to include non-violent offences.

(separately: Wikipedia is not a source at all, let alone an authoritative one)

Again, since you didn't address this: claiming things that aren’t violent are violent steals resources - not just awareness but potentially money, police time and medical attention from victims of domestic violence.


I'm sorry to hear about your experience, but the definition you yourself quoted plainly states:

> treatment or usage tending to cause bodily injury or forcibly interfering with personal freedom.

Domestic violence comprises more than just battery by someone who happens to be a family member.


> forcibly interfering with personal freedom.

Forcibly. If there's no force there's no violence.

Psychologically abusing someone does not involve the use of force.

> Domestic violence comprises more than just battery by someone who happens to be a family member.

Agreed, thankfully nobody defined in the conversation defined domestic violence this way.

Again: domestic violence most include violence, i.e. the use of force.

Why are people trying to hard to redefine words?


> Forcibly. If there's no force there's no violence.

I get where you're coming from but enough men figured out that when wife-beating became illegal, they could continue to torment their wives and exes through passive-aggressive, explicitly nonviolent acts enough that the laws were expanded and the definition changed.

The redefinition happened at least 20 years ago and has since propagated across multiple disciplines (law enforcement and psychology inclusive). Even publishing revenge porn falls under domestic violence statutes now.

Yes, it no longer meets the strictly-literal definition of violence. It is what it is. Rather than arguing it here, consider adapting to the times or taking your grievance to the Department of Justice (https://www.justice.gov/ovw/domestic-violence):

> Domestic violence is a pattern of abusive behavior in any relationship that is used by one partner to gain or maintain power and control over another intimate partner. Domestic violence can be physical, sexual, emotional, economic, psychological, or technological actions or threats of actions or other patterns of coercive behavior that influence another person within an intimate partner relationship. This includes any behaviors that intimidate, manipulate, humiliate, isolate, frighten, terrorize, coerce, threaten, blame, hurt, injure, or wound someone.


This is a far stretch in trying to hang on to the last thread of the definition of violence.

Why can't you just use the term "domestic abuse" and stop supporting the misuse of well defined words?

Do you think that if you and others use the term "domestic violence" to include non-physical abuse that it just magically changes the existing definition? Why would you even want to support that when there's clearly another term that's both in general use and clearly fits what you're attempting to refer to, by definition?


Repeating for a third time so you can hopefully read it and actually respond when you hit ‘reply’:

Claiming things that aren’t violent are violent steals resources - not just awareness but potentially money, police time and medical attention from victims of domestic violence

I’m not responsible for all of humanity: you should want a clear definition and separation of violent and non violent abuse so why don’t you handle this yourself rather than asking me?

“get with the times” is ridiculous. vague legislation is bad whether it’s new or old. Likewise a lot of progress has obviously been bad much like other progress has been good.

I’m actually not really interested in your replies any more, since you’re not actually responding.


Victims of non physical domestic violence also need money, police time, and medical attention (yes, they do!). So I'd argue that widening the definition of domestic violence actually increases the visibility of the cause. More people are concerned, directly or indirectly.

> “get with the times” is ridiculous

It's not. Language changes all the time for better or worse, and trying to change it back is just not possible. You're wasting your time if you're trying to make your definition the correct one instead of the one that's widely accepted, even if your definition made more sense (I don't have an opinion on that).

Language is a reflection of society, and whether you want it or not, society has decided that physical domestic violence and non-physical domestic violence are the same thing, which we call domestic violence. You can fight words or fight for a cause, your choice.


Even still, the fixation on the passcode thing is insecurity.


Literally


I would like to see that; what should I search youtube for?


I have no clue. I mostly get warhammer, video game, and programming videos. It showed up in my shorts one day so I took a look. I have long since purged it from my history because I want to minimize the chances of getting something like that again.


You saw a weird video on youtube. Parent saw some weird stuff on instagram.

What is the point here?


That algorithmic feeds inject weird stuff into people’s brains


It's funny, I am married with a child, do my best and my wife too, but sometimes she gets dragged into meme-expectation that take her a long time to recover from. I cant see nor understand much of the source of these: Im an immigrant and I cant read her native language, and I dont know if it s a girl thing or if it's actually me not fitting reasonable expectations, but damn I wished everyone could look at their own relationship without trying to copy the appearance of others.

What seems to help is when an idolized version of relationship is suddenly broken into pieces and you discover your model was actually completely miserable and whatever you expected became trivial relative to that.


I had an ex that did this based on fantasy novels. "Why can't you be more of a man's man?" "What, from your romance novels?" "Yes!" "Ummm..."

Ironically, the thought never even occurred to me to respond with "Why can't you be more of a <insert stereotypical sought after characterization here>?"

Oh well, we haven't been together for a long time. :)

Point being, it's not just instagram or even social media at large. They've just made the situation worse. This is deep rooted in most of society and isn't going to end any time soon. Just need to find people that are strong enough to not fall victim to this (even if they don't bring it up, like our partners did).


If someone is constantly projecting relationship advice social media topics on you'd I'd venture to say you're in an abusive/manipulative relationship as opposed to a healthy one. Glad you got out.

I've learned more recently that healthy relationships aren't empirically so. Instead, there's "signs" of a healthy relationship; determining the health of your relationship must be a two way conversation. It requires assessment, honesty, and participation by both parties as a qualifier as well as the ability to listen without your ego involved. That's not to say all of those aren't challenging things to do in their own right just to say that the health of a relationship will be explored differently by different sets of people.


> While I'm aware my relationship wasn't perfect [...]

My $0.02: We are taught not to aim for perfection at work[0], that should apply to relationships too.

[0] https://hbr.org/tip/2020/02/dont-let-perfect-be-the-enemy-of...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem

>It is also known as the marriage problem, the sultan's dowry problem, the fussy suitor problem, the googol game, and the best choice problem.

The internet and the options it gives, I believes leads people to think they have far more relationship options then they actually have, and the options they think they have are not as good as they believe. A lot of people put a lot of work in selling a perfect image online, but those rarely hold up in reality for any amount of time.

Of course this doesn't mean we should stay in bad relationships either. Our society doesn't really teach us how to have good relationships, especially in a capitalistic fashion (hey, just spend more money and everything will be ok), and quite a lot of us had really poor examples from our parents generation on how to treat other people.


I just want to note one little difference. "The internet and the >perceived< options it gives, ..."


The joy of exploitative recommendation algorithms. I had a discussion with my daughter about TikTok's Glamour Filter the other day and now my whole feed is full of glamour filter posts. This is so unhealthy (mentally).


At least on TikTok filters are explicitly marked as such.


All the ideas that the world will be perfect if you would just think thoughts like these...

"manifest what you want from the world" and "think positive thoughts and everything will be ok"

Is actually kind of true when you think about all the algorithms that run social media. If you only ever search for cats and scroll past anything political, the algorithms will learn what you like and feed you more cats.

So, if you're searching up relationship advice, and spending time on those things, that's what you get back from 'the borg'.

You do have control over what social media shows you, it's just that you need to work against your basest desires in order to get there.


Youtube occasionally, but regularly tries to show me culture war content even though I never watch it and usually tell it "don't recommend this".


It's like those "drug pushers" we were told about in school but don't seem to actually exist who use weed to constantly try to get you onto more lucrative for them heroin no matter how many times you say "no thanks." Heard that so many times at school, never heard anyone encountering anything like it in the real world.

But here we are with google, facebrick et al saying "come on, just try a little culture war" because its lucrative for them, no matter how many times you say no thank you.

It's really sick but yeah, obviously lucrative and Larry, Seregey & Mark clearly need the money.


I think this was an issue that was really only an issue for specific geographic areas, but also an easy bandwagon to jump on and look like you're "fighting the good fight". It was an actual problem in one area from my childhood, but never saw it anywhere else.

Otherwise, fully and wholeheartedly agree that it's now a global issue and is indeed real. Welcome to the "global community" we were always told was going to be such an advancement for society.


Not just the new/tech companies, but gaming/gambling companies, and really, a lot of large businesses in general.


The gaps of "what do we show now" are filled with popular content, so culture war content is what you notice but there's probably other tamer things that only the algorithms know is popular.


Yeah, it's very much a game of "well, other people fit this profile, but also tend to watch this other thing, we should recommend that, as it will probably hook this person as well. With any luck, they'll be grateful that we introduced them!"


From the algorithmic feed PoV it's a very high value cluster (average watchtime has to be very high, audience retention is probably quite excellent) so it's unsurprising that it'll try to get you hooked from time to time.


I watched a funny video of the President of my country mis-pronouncing a word in English. The recommended videos afterward were comprised ENTIRELY of the local far-right party's propaganda.


Observe how this amounts to crime. The platform has motive: -newly single users attract more views -newly single users are worth more to advertisers because they’re likely to spend on appearance, travel, new hobbies, and big ticket items formerly shared with a partner. The platform also has opportunity because it has data on exactly what content has highest probability of nudging a particular user to break up. (Perhaps the “you are being abused by a narcissist” stuff others have mentioned works nicely.) (See also Shoshanna Zuboff)


Crime as in algo crime; there are not humans pulling a lever labeled “trash this relationship.”


> A little snark in there about democratizing, as some people will always put a positive spin on such things

Let's try this:

"Instagram makes pandemic the mental illness that used to only affect child stars and the hollywood famous."


Is that any more accurate though? I agree that the headline is snark, but... content creators are a large part of the problem, though it's such a complex problem that I'm not sure how to even guess at which is more liable unless you simply take the "whoever is the last in the production line has the ability to prevent this kind of content" view, in which case it's pretty obviously ... well, I was going to say obvious the content provider, but no... it's you. The problem is likely you, and your inability to avoid this kind of content.</more-snark>


I absolutely am not looking to start an argument here, but do you have maybe a link to a discussion or exposition on why CS is an SC? Genuinely curious about the reason for that statement. I have a reasonable understanding of the differences, but for the context of your statement, what qualifies the statement?


Saw this. Really looking forward to checking it out for the very topics being discussed here. I love looking at how different teams implement these details. Is it just faked enough to be visually pleasing or do they really have each visual actor in the world doing the real work. :D Used to love playing with these details in the old version of Pharoah and Caesar.


It understands the rules it was given by its creators. It intends to give a response that follows those rules.

You can argue that software cannot understand, as it is usually associated with intelligence, but than this is literally a piece of software that is said to have artificial intelligence.

Sorry, you're just not going to win this one.

The software lied, intentionally, because that's what it was told to do.


It does not understand rules. It follows them without understanding.

And the fact that someone calls this artificial intelligence does not mean that it possesses actual intelligence.

(Sorry, you’re just not going to win this one.)


Yeah, I guess it's as black and white as you state. There's no in-between like keeping the per state allotments while still having that allotment be chosen by the people instead of adding another layer in between that is "voting for the people", which I provide in quotes because who actually believes that is happening? "voting on behalf of their supporters", at best.


Your assumption is correct. The record labels are their business partners. Spotify does not dictate the terms while the record labels hold all the popular content.


Still comes back to "can you sell enough keys on your own to make up for the amount of sales you get through Steam, even after the 30%?" It's great if you think you have a hot game or product that will be sought after by a large enough audience vs people seeing a game show up in their feed or on sale or a friend is playing it or however it ends up in front of you on Steam, a game that maybe you've never heard of before and now you're going to buy it.


You can sell steam keys on your store and sell normally through the Steam Store. The only requirement is to keep the Steam price <= your own store's price. That seems like a very fairy policy.


While that's valid, I want to point out that Steam accepts a wide variety of local payment methods that have exorbitant transaction fees compared to Visa. Pretty sure I've seen them cover a particular payment method with 10% fee. Steam takes 15% for big publishers I think and that's not a large profit margin in those scenarios. A lot of younger customers do not have an international credit card and Steam makes purchasing games accessible to them.


How do you think they got to where they are? by not believing and not working hard? Valve has been working at what they do for longer than some people commenting here have been alive. Steam has been around for 19 years.

Do you believe developers should be able to use something a company has spent the last 19 years investing in and building... for free or cheap? Is there a competitor in the market that would bring them as much exposure while not charging as much? The only thing I can think of are platforms like EGS, where they basically pay people to sell their games on there, so they can grow the platform.

I haven't done the math myself, but I'm guessing indie developers would be hard pressed to make the same money without using Steam as they do using Steam, even with the "fleecing" you're talking about.


Few projections there, alas yeah I remember how Steam sucked ass when it appeared and how it was forced upon customers of their popular game(s) initially to spread it around. There were competitors, but without much strategy or foresight (Ubisoft, EA). These days you have gog (30%), epic store (12%), itch.io (10%), google play store (15%, after epic's push), apple app store (30 and 15% through small business developer program). Steam holds the position still, no need to move if you have the power of inertia. Even damn google and apple moved. Epic did good there, albeit unconventionally.


I have a relative like this, but she watches absolutely nothing. She believes some of her family members are out to get her though. She's in an assisted living facility and her phone has been taken away because she has called the police too many times, claiming that one of her family members is breaking in her window, to poison her.

I'm not claiming that's the same thing, but I'm not sure less time watching videos will correct the issue or won't just lead to some other issue.


No, it's a good thought. Thanks for sharing. We've talked with her physician about the possibility of this being some early signs of dementia. We don't have actual family medical history, but what we know from word of mouth lines up with dementia-like symptoms. So it may run in the family.

But she is still functional and able to do the business of life. For now.


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