>So the side that dies more has the moral high ground in your opinion?
No the side that has been ethnically cleansed and colonized for 75+ years and made refugees in their own land have the moral high-ground. Palestinians have every right to resist to the evil they have been subjected to for almost a century.
I would say 75+ years of Zionist terrorism[1][2][3], ethnic-cleansing, apartheid, being locked up in a concentration camp. I mean you could have looked those up yourself but something tells me you just didn't care to look it up.
>something that would cause civilians on oct 7 join en masse a fest of rape
there is 0 evidence for "mass rape" on oct7, this has been debunked.
Every one of your accusations is a confession: "Israel: UN experts appalled by reported human rights violations against Palestinian women and girls."
“We are particularly distressed by reports that Palestinian women and girls in detention have also been subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault, such as being stripped naked and searched by male Israeli army officers. At least two female Palestinian detainees were reportedly raped while others were reportedly threatened with rape and sexual violence,” the experts said. They also noted that photos of female detainees in degrading circumstances were also reportedly taken by the Israeli army and uploaded online."
>Honest question: Were they expelled, or did they flee? Or some of both?
Both, the fleeing was a direct result and the very intention of the massacres to achieve the ethnic-cleansing[1] of Palestinians. Those who fled were not only refused back onto their land and homes, but were also shot at and killed when they tried going back into their homes.
>My position on the whole conflict is along the lines of "everybody sucks".
That's like calling the holocaust a "conflict" and that in that "conflict" everybody sucked. That's the kind of bothsidesism you would have gotten away with before Israel's genocide[1] of Palestinians which led people to studying the history[2] of Palestine and the history of Zionism and realizing that this "conflict" is not some random accident but the outcome of a carefully crafted colonial project by secular european-jews with nationalist ambitions - long before the holocaust. For these secular jews, who also considered colonizing Uganda, Madagascar, Cyprus, Argentina (Baron Hirsch's colonization project), Birobidzhan - USSR (Jewish Autonomous Oblast), Alaska (Slattery Report proposal), British Guiana, judaism was simply a useful tool to legitimize their colonial project: "Most Zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe that he promised them Palestine".
Amos Goldberg is monetizing being an anti-israel israeli. If you gave him valid counter arguments he'd never accept them because it would be career suicide. So I'm not even going to begin to tackle any of this stuff.
I support your right to free speech but I don't get how any of this helps anyone with anything. You have to work with today's reality that Israel is a state that exists that has certain security interests. I'm guessing the end game here is to cut US support for Israel and hope that it will wither and die afterwards?
With the current administration that's not gonna happen anytime soon and I doubt you'll see it change in the next 20-40 years. Do you think you'll decide to be more constructive in that time?
>Amos Goldberg is monetizing being an anti-israel israeli. If you gave him valid counter arguments he'd never accept them because it would be career suicide. So I'm not even going to begin to tackle any of this stuff.
That's nothing but peak genocide denial rhetoric. There are Neo-Nazis who use the exact same rhetoric as you to deny the holocaust. How would it be "career suicide" for Amos Goldberg to argue against it being a Genocide as long as he provides credible arguments? It only would be "career suicide" because anyone with half a brain can see that it's a Genocide. Anyone who is not a Zionist and has just seen a fraction of the mountains of evidence can conclude without a doubt that it's a Genocide. One has to be completely delusional to deny it.
>Older generations used to cautiously appreciate the sensitivity of such and tread carefully. Younger generations seem tired of hearing it from Israeli politicians.
I think it's much simpler than that. Younger Generations are just sick and tired of walking on eggshells when it comes to calling out jewish-exceptionalism[0] and that trend was accelerated after having witnessed the self declared "jewish-state" commit livestreamed terrorism and genocide for more than a year with absolute impunity. Israel was[1][2][3] and Israel still is the biggest terrorist organization in the region by far and has been since its inception[3].
It's clearly a flagrant lie that deliberately changes the meaning of an apocalyptic supernatural end-times narration into something that it's clearly not. the narration describes what will happen and is evidently and clearly not giving any commands like the bad-faith writer of that article distorts it to be.
> the israeli "human shields" narrative is pure hasbara and israeli projection anyway
Saying this is, frankly, ridiculous. There is massive, extensive documentation of the vast tunnel networks and terrorist infrastructure hiding beneath and as part of civilian areas in Gaza (and in Lebanon, now). There are hundreds if not thousands of examples of Hamas cynically using actions that are bound to hurt civilians.
You don't have to like Israel or how it's acting, and you disagree with the legitimacy of the war or how it is conducted, but you should at least be grounded in reality. If you're just wholesale denying the well-documented evidence of how Hamas acts, you're not really criticizing the IDF, because you're not connecting with reality. You're criticizing an imaginary IDF fighting an imaginary Hamas that acts completely differently to how it's acting, and that makes your criticisms meaningless.
(And for the record, the cases of the IDF using human shields in the manner you linked above are pretty well documented too, as far as I can say, and I personally think they should be condemned and the IDF has to answer for that. I do try to be centered in reality and see things as they really are.)
> There are hundreds if not thousands of examples of Hamas cynically using actions that are bound to hurt civilians.
Correct, this is how guerrilla forces have always worked. Either their fighters get protection, or the colonial/occupying (from their perspective) power gets loads of bad PR.
I mean, when you look at the relative arms strength of the two forces, they'd be crazy not to do this.
Is this moral? 100% not. Is it understandable? Strategically, again 100%. yes.
No the side that has been ethnically cleansed and colonized for 75+ years and made refugees in their own land have the moral high-ground. Palestinians have every right to resist to the evil they have been subjected to for almost a century.
[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20231029055310/ojp.gov/ncjrs/vir... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_extremist_terrorism