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A lot of pimps are women. Underage girls from smaller towns are attractive to pimps because they are greedy and naive and fall for the scam of modelling in a big city. And they can also be easily separated from their otherwise conservative parents or bullied. This is pretty much the entire scam of the porn industry and modelling industry and by extension hollywood and the music industry.

Sexually inexperienced or frustrated "tricks" will gawk at the first model they see and will pay a lot of money for a date. This includes a lot of tech/finance folks.


Is this not a brand loyalty thing ?


It is more than brand loyalty. Technologies (particularly programming languages) shape your thoughts and the way your mind structures solutions. This makes it particularly hard to admit when your pet technology is lacking; you are also disparaging yourself! It is tough (impossible?) to be detached in such technical discussions unless you are very familiar with neither or both of the alternatives being considered.


that's very true, a programming language you've mastered begins to influence the way you think and becomes part of your identity. A criticism of the language becomes a criticism of yourself which is very uncomfortable. The only other thing I can think of, off the top of my head, that gets ingrained the same way is politics.


Between pipewire and LV2 is Linux finally ready for audio stuff like mac ? Are there music producers who use use linux exclusively for live music, production and mixing ?


There are such people. Since the total number of Linux users is low compared to Windows, probably not very many.

But "is Linux finally ready for audio stuff like mac?" is a meaningless question because there are as many different workflows and definitions of "audio stuff" as there are styles of music.

Also, in this context, even the term "Linux" is not well-defined. You probably mean "Linux in a conventional desktop or laptop computer", but there are many high end digital audio mixing devices you could buy from any major audio tech company that run Linux internally. That's not what you meant, probably, but it's still Linux, thus making the term a bit unclear in this context.


Isn't this how you read books in college ?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz ... the china expert

> Zenz co-authored the book Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation which links modern trends, including gender equality, homosexuality and bans on corporal punishment, to the power of the Antichrist.

The more I look at it, history is one ethnic group against the other. The winners do what they want, the weak suffer as prisoners of war.


In reply to a flagged sibling: what's there to see in the edit history? There was an edit war (or maybe I should use the plural, didn't look too closely), which is common on controversial topics, and judging from the talk page it has been resolved with a compromise. Bottom line, dude did coauthor that book, and even the title is telling enough.

Also, unrelated, it's sad that any comment trying to discuss or question what's specifically in the article is quickly downvoted into oblivion -- except this one, curiously -- and only general threads suitable (or unsuitable) for any submission loosely on this topic remain. People are quick to post insinuations about astroturfing too, despite guidelines specifically banning that.


It seems the comments about iraq, yemen, afghanistan them have been downvoted / flagged. I guess this one too. There's a documentary on netflix showing the 13th amendment's relation to the labor camps, shocking to say the least.

I don't think there is anything new in the article. It's the standard rhetoric used by UK/US media. Also notice the conspicuous absence of Saudis, they too are involved in messy labor practices. Oddly enough not a single of these pointless articles will mention that its another country in some sense - Turkestan ... because if thats the context of the debate then US will have to give up puerto rico, california and indian territories and UK ireland and France guiana and so on .... Here's the irony of the whole situation, from their standpoint the chinese too are liberating the places from feudalism and they have made some progress in the regions as opposed to the reckless military interventions of other nations.

The fact of the matter is literally none of the allied powers cared for the genocides in WWII, they even welcomed it. The POWs were also completely ignored post war which is one of the unspoken tragedies. In democratically elected nations it seems the only way to go to war is to paint the other side as a dictator go to war with it. The lies are just tiring at this point.


It is very unfortunate that Saudi Arabia is mentioned by all the supporters of human rights abuses as a benchmark, I don’t see how the absence of mentioning Saudi Arabia is conspicuous at all. The absurdity of it is that normally the countries compared with Saudi are allies [1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_rel...


China did liberate the area from feudalism by killing the ppl living there in the first place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide China intentionally and resettled the uighurs there in first place after having killed 80% of the population that lived there.

How can you make an historical argument without mentioning this small detail?


And you failed to mention the small detail that what you linked to happened in 18th century, not post WWII, or anywhere close to 20th century. Not even led by the same ethnicity — Qing rulers were Manchus. Do we really need to bring up colonialist genocides?


My answer was to a post that brought up "...puerto rico, california and indian territories and UK ireland and France guiana and so on..." Those also were not post WWII.

But the parents argument was that from chinese perspective China has liberated the foreign state Turkestan and brought enlightenment to this region.

Considering the Genocide this interpretation seems somewhat dubious. And yes, i would expect such colonialist atrocities come up same as with other countries.


Look at the edit history for that article. It’s not useful as a reference for this discussion.

I mean, frankly, much of this discussion is probably not authentic either. These topics always attract people who will bend over backwards to defend genocide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party


"Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...


Intra-party democracy is alright. Unabobmers manifesto or the school shooters manifesto or IRA manifestos are not exactly available in the libraries.



They absolutely should be.


Its pointless to use animals in research, it makes no logical sense. Even if the research is successful after 10 years of animal cruelty ... you still have to test it on humans.


What about all the chemicals that never get to human testing due to harmful effects coming up in animal testing? Is that not a net positive from a human perspective?


Sure - though plenty of chemicals hurt animals but don't hurt us. One small example: theobromine and caffeine (in chocolate) kill cats and other animals that lack the ability to metabolize these alkaloids rapidly enough.

Oddly enough, our own cat loves chocolate and (following a near miss & visit to the vet) now appears to resent having had that avenue of pleasure permanently blocked.


Are there absolutely no alternatives to test that ?


Not as far as our brightest scientists in the relevant fields have been able to figure out. What do you propose?



Yes, those techniques are what we are moving towards and we are slowly getting there, but for the time being they can't be universally applied.


You do understand you are just defending big pharma and cosmetics. I really doubt any new ground breaking discovery has come from animal testing.


I've never seen a more text book example of changing the subject when you don't have a real answer.

sk0g and hobofan point out a key benefit of animal testing, explain why there is no alternative at present, and rather than addressing that or acknowleding the point, you respond with non-sequiturs.

Try to learn to separate what you want to be true "animal testing is pointless" vs what is actually true "animal testing has benefits that cannot be sensibly found any other way". Then we can productively move towards eliminating animal testing. But if you won't even listen to others points, how do you hope to convince them of anything?


Animal testing is all over biochemistry and biology, is not just used for pharmaceutical and cosmetics testing. Many ground braking discoveries have been (and are still being made) via animal testing. There are whole subdisciplines that are based around animal testing like developmental or behavioural biology.

Though you can avoid it if you really want to, if you study biochemistry, you will learn how to do animal testing and are taught about all the ethics involved, how to do the testing in the most humane way, and how to avoid (or minimize) doing it in the first place if possible.

I've been going through the list of recent Nobel Prizes and the research for these involved animal testing: Nobel Prize for medicine 2018 (mice), 2017 (flys), 2014 (rats), 2012 (frogs, mice). Older research made before we had good tools to work with cell cultures, etc. will probably skew even more towards animal testing.


Citation needed. What specific things were discovered ? Are they useful to humans ? Could they be done without testing ?

All that I read are pointless science articles about aging in mice as if that applied to humans.


> Are they useful to humans?

No, probably not. I'm sure they are just giving Nobel Prizes for Medicine out for funny discoveries rather than for findings that form the basis of most of our current and future medicine.

> Could they be done without testing?

Sure they could! But scientists just love to make animals suffer!


> Nobel Prizes for Medicine out for funny discoveries

Yes, just like they give oscars to pointless movies. Even roman numerals had its fervent defenders.


Can you name 1 important medical discovery that has NOT come from animal testing?


None that we know of yet.


I highly recommend the channel Tech Lead, a youtuber who covers some of the mundane aspects of programming career.


Tech Lead is walking meme who rarely offers good advice, most of which should be taken with a grain of salt. His life is currently a mess: He's divorced and has been recently been accused of doxxing YouTubers and other people who criticize his work.


From what a friend has said to me, the situation is fairly similar to the discrimination people of colour face (slavery, jim crow, segregation, economic mobility, interracial marriage, lynchings, human right violations) and what native americans face (land rights, economic mobility, cultural assimilation and destruction) ... except this is in the asian context with added peculiarities. The distinction between the classes is made by the last name and skin colour like how you would discriminate between italian, spanish, irish, german, danish ... on the basis of their name as people look similiar despite all of them being clubbed under "white" and "christian".

On paper discrimination shouldn't happen but IRL it does everywhere.


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