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So there are bad people who are public officials, and there are people who are in over their head.

The vast majority are dedicated professionals.

"Too big to jail" happened because we tried to use mortgages for this bizarre social welfare hack. A conservative economist and writer - Charles Calomiris, with his coauthor S. Haber - picks this apart pretty well.

Emphasis we, though.

The few cases where I can think of "using the law to terrify and ruin..." are pretty complicated and there's plenty of "WTF?" to go 'round.




> "Too big to jail" happened because we tried to use mortgages for

No, it didn't.

Too big to jail happened because money drives political influence, and the people responsible for the collapse of Wall Street have the latter because of the former.

If you mean the collapse itself happened for that reason, that's not true either. To the extent the "social welfare hack" thing is true, it was being done for decades before the bubble even started building. The frauds that lead into the buble and collapse didn't happen because of that, they happened because of the regulatory structures put into place designed to prevent exactly that kind of thing after the Great Depression were removed; at the time that occurred, critics warned that doing that would lead to exactly the kind of shenanigans that, in fact, occurred.


The decades of bubble building is exactly the root cause.

The regulatory framework - I presume you mean Glass-Steagall - has never been shown to have been capable of preventing this sort of thing. Even people who advocate for it - mainly Paul Vocker - admit this. Keeping investment and deposit banking separate had nought to do with it. There might have been other "firewalls" but I've yet to see a proprosal that has been identified as sufficient to prevent this sort of thing.

Fraud was fraud; whether policy to push lousy mortgages came from Fannie/Freddie/Congress or not isn't all that controversial to me - I am sure it is true because of the evidence. But it is controversial to some.

The ideas behind the mortgage buildup were just that - ideas - that were accepted by a broad spectrum of people.

And neither you nor anyone else can show that money driving political influence has one thing to do with it. It was the style of the times. There was a cycle of deregulation beginning with Jimmy Carter.

Might be that Dick Armey was bought and paid for, but I am pretty sure he would have advocated for deregulation regardless out of ideology anyway.

The only idea I am aware of that may have made a difference is that Brooksley Born wanted CDOs/CDSs on exchanges, and we simply don't know what would have happened. It is bad that she was shouted down, but that has more to do with certain foibles in how things like the regulation that is there works, and with how the Fed interacts with those.

She was, in effect, a heretic, a Jeremiah who was not listened to. And it's a black mark on us. But we don't know.

Greenspan's mea culpa covers it - he did not know that banks really weren't doing the proper risk analysis.

But we just do these things. We have bubbles. There will be more before it's over. "Nation of Deadbeats" is quite the book.




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