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Sure, although GAE is blocked in China. AWS works, and has a free tier that will get by for a year, but doesn't give you free certificates.

Also, for a lot of newbies, installing SSL certificates is a PITA.

0. You realize you need a SSL certificate. You're presented with a dizzying variety of options and already lost. Are you supposed to get Positive SSL, Negative SSL, Essential SSL, Comodo SSL, Start SSL, Wildcard SSL, EV SSL, Rapid SSL, Slow SSL, or EV SSL aux Mille Truffles et Champignons? Most newbies ask, "Why isn't there a simple [click here to get HTTPS certificate] button?"

1. You get your certificates by e-mail, but you still can't install them directly. Your webserver wants a .pem file, so you Google "How do I create a PEM file". The top 10 tutorials tell you to concatenate THREE files: your_domain_name.crt, DigiCertCA.crt, and TrustedRoot.crt in that order. What you received by e-mail was FOUR files: AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt, COMODORSAAddTrustCA.crt, COMODORSADomainValidationSecureServerCA.crt, and your_domain_name.crt. You're lost, no tutorial is helping with what to do with FOUR files instead of THREE, in what order to concatenate them, and StackOverflow bans your question. You're fed up, quit, and use HTTP. (Not me; I'm describing an actual case of observing someone else's frustration trying to set up HTTPS.)

The only way HTTPS will gain popularity is if we can get rid of the certificate-issuing economy and make it easy for newcomers. The majority of content creators unfortunately do not understand the basics of security nor can we expect them to have the patience to learn it.




@Hello71 That was funny :) But with all due respect,

    apt-get install apache2
or even opening up Ubuntu's GUI package manager and clicking Apache and then "Install" gets you a running webserver, zero questions asked. SSL certificates are a longshot from that. You're bombarded with questions throughout the process; I still can't memorize the command to generate a CSR. Also, from the perspective of achieving the objective of sharing content with the world, a website is a necessity while SSL is optional. In general, optional things that want to succeed need to be dead zero friction. Necessities like web servers can be hard and people will still get them because there's no alternative.

When Ubuntu can get you a working SSL web server, CSRs generated, certificates all auto-signed by authorities, set up and ready to go, zero questions asked, with

   apt-get install apache2
that will be the day HTTPS will outshine HTTP. Yes, I know cryptographers are tearing their hair out at the thought of "auto-signed", but it would be a hell of a lot more secure world than now, because people would at least use HTTPS, rather than now, when the process is just seriously too much for most people that they end up resorting to HTTP instead. Better of two evils.

Alternatively, browsers should not throw huge error messages about self-signed certificates. They should just do what SSH does instead: display the fingerprint, ask yes/no, store the fingerprint, and warn the user if the fingerprint changes in the future.


That. I have managed to get through the steps but there was nothing simple about it and I wouldn't be able to replicate it without looking it all up again. Unfortunately, SSL isn't even an option on my el-cheapo shared webhosting service (as I understood it, it needs a dedicated precious IPv4 address).

Contrast this with Dan J. Bernstein's wonderful CurveCP. It's so simple to set up and requires no CA involvement; you just need to be able to add a NS server entry.


> as I understood it, it needs a dedicated precious IPv4 address

A good webserver would actually be able to provide multiple SSL certs on a single IP address by using "Server-Name Indication" (SNI). This is definitely (as far as I know) supported on nginx, and probably supported by Apache's httpd.


0. You realize you need an HTTP server. You're presented with a dizzying variety of options and already lost. Are you supposed to get Apache, Navajo, NGINX, IIS, Jetty, lighttpd, heavytpd, httpd, or ApacheNavajoNGINXIISJettylighttpdheavytpdhttpd? Most newbies ask, "Why isn't there a simple [click here to get HTTP server] button?"

1. You get your server by wget, but you still can't install it directly. Your OS wants an executable file, so you Google "How do I create an executable file". The top 10 tutorials tell you to use some software called Eclipse, but that needs some kind of "JVM". What you received in the archive was some ".c" crap. You're lost, no tutorial is helping with what to do with .c files, in what order to concatenate them, and StackOverflow bans your question. You are not fit to operate a computer. (I made this story up too.)

The only way HTTP will gain popularity is if we can get rid of the different servers available and make it easy for newcomers. The majority of content creators unfortunately do not understand the basics of security nor can we expect them to have the patience to learn it.




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