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is the budget yearly?



The 500GT budget is total. That plant is using roughly 4% of our let's-not-wildly-destabilize-civilization GHG budget every year. We've got about 30 years to radically restructure our energy use. More here (among many places): http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/syr/


Are you sure this is right? There must exist more than 25 coal plants in the world? Do we expect to hit this budget w/in a year? Is this coal plant much bigger than most others?


[Edit: an up-to-date piece focusing directly on the carbon budget: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/keep-it-in-the-ground... ]

There are a lot more than 25 coal plants in the world, and we must stop using them very very soon. Here's an EPA-citing source claiming 1 Gt coal -> 1.8 Gt CO2e, and 3.5 Gt used by China in 2011, the latter amounting to ~6.5 Gt CO2e, and ~20% of world emissions that year. [1] If Chinese coal use is now about the same, and if we have 650 Gt left before some particular nasty tipping point is reached, then China's coal is currently using that budget at a rate of 1% a year. There's a lot of uncertainty in the rate measurements, and significant uncertainty in the tipping points, but there is no uncertainty that world will be like nothing humanity has ever seen at 500ppm CO2, and we have no reason to think that, say, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh can adjust smoothly to regular high temperatures of 54° with sporadic heat waves at 57°, or that America and the US can smoothly adjust to most of the farmland that currently feeds them becoming unusable and most of the fisheries collapsing.

Finally, note that we're not going to get to near carbon-neutrality in 30 years by dropping radically next year, continuing at a flat 1/30th of our budget for 30 years, and then dropping to 0. Any plausible route will accelerate GHG reductions something like linearly.

[1] http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Existing_U.S._Coal_Plan...


Oh, note that @voodoomagicman was right; 4% for one coal plant was off by a factor of about 100, mostly b/c I overestimated how much coal it used.


Ok, thanks for the info, now I have a better sense of proportion. So that means that 25 years brings it to 1% globally. I see how breaking the cap might not be totally inevitable but it doesn't seem very evitable either. I think we could see a major food price increase in our lifetimes.


China has very dirty coal compared to the US. We also have much better environmental tech installed for our plans, while in China they don't bother since enforcement of environmental laws are weak.


Another way to think about that point is that the error ranges for many of these values are quite large.


I don't know much but there are definitely more than 25 coal plants in the world... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coal_power_stations




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