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This site is completely blank with noscript on.



I always wonder if the developer should care? The only front-ends I write these days are admin backends for my own company, so I very specifically don't care.

That said, is there any data on browser share with JS turned off? Because I'm sure I'm being obtuse, and I know I can be accused of being a dick, but I doubt I would care very much.

My company makes mobile games. We don't support below Android 4, we don't support below iOS 6. Not allowing JS completely is absurd, IMHO, and much like expecting developers to continue to support IE 6. It's 2015, JS is the programming language of the browser-based Internet, and expecting developers to cripple their own applications to support a vanishingly small amount of people that block JS may simply make no sense, economically speaking.


Accessibility. Screen readers allegedly support JS - I don't use one - but I think we can agree it's a harder problem to solve than HMTL.

Not to get too much on my high horse, since you're clearly in an area where there's no way you could ever support vision impairment, the problem with ignoring vanishingly small portions of an audience is that the same people tend to be in that portion all the time and never get anything. For apps that aren't expecting interactions more than every ten seconds, it's so easy to just give them flat HTML.


Nowadays screen readers are fine with the full-blown web, JS and all. The bigger practical issue is simpler things, like not putting alt tags on pictures, or abusing pictures (I saw a stupid website which put alt tags on spacer gifs).


Empty alt tags? Because that is what should be on spacer gifs. Of course, using spacer gifs is kinda 2004.


There it is. Thanks. I agree, accessibility should be considered. It's actually extremely difficult in mobile games as engines like Unity have almost no accessibility support whereas UIKit does a really fantastic job.

In any case, I'm definitely for making a site mostly accessible (I've encountered edge cases where it is weird) and if current screen readers support most JS, then I'd test for accessibility, not necessarily all-stop lack of JS.


Looks like there's problem with the scraper version, but feel free to take a look if you're on your Nokia N900 and don't have JS: http://www.shittylistings.com/?_escaped_fragment_=


These days I don't have much of a problem ignoring the "javascript disabled" demographic.


I don't disable javascript, only some externally loaded scripts. Anything loaded from the same host is allowed.

I expect some sites not to work fully, but completely blank is unexpected.


Ah, sorry about that. I agree there should at least be an error message.

We originally built this as a page on openlistings.co (/fixers), but then found this awesome domain. The assets are all the same from openlistings.co, we're just checking the current domain in our Backbone.js router. Kind of hacky, but it was the quickest way to get it up! Also, if you click any of the detail pages you need the rest of the assets anyway because it takes you back to openlistings.co. Long story short, it's pulling in assets and doing API calls to openlistings.co.


> you need the rest of the assets anyway

Like I said, I expect some things not to work. But the page should not be completely blank.

The plain text on the home page does not need javascript for anything.


Hosting external javascript allows sites to load faster and it is easier for the developers so that strategy isn't going to last much longer.


Considering that hosting javascript (and fonts and files) externally leaks information about your visitors to third partys hopefully some developers will care about their users' privacy and not do that.


Privacy is long dead. I am sure some people will care, but not enough to matter.


And?

It is a webapp, those require javascript. The fact that you do not like it is not really relevant.

Ludits cannot be allowed to stop progress.


It used to be that "doesn't work with javascript" also implied "breaks the back button, sucks for SEO, isn't accessible and I can't email urls to people"

It was a convenient short-hand for many things but it's not very reliable in that regard any more.

This site seems fairly solid at first glance so personally speaking I'm not the slightest bit bothered that it doesn't work with javascript disabled.


He has a point, this is an HTML table. Should work with zero JS. I'm all in for web apps, but people sometimes just over-engineer stuff.


Built with React


Turn it off?


I did.

I expect sites sometimes not to work fully. But completely blank?




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