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> This deeper failure is In the incentives for Rackspace to withhold key commits on Ironic from the community because they feel it is secret sauce. (I am taking the OP's version of the tale at face value). They're one of the flagship supporters of OpenStack, and their behavior is perceptably a big reason for its failures to date.

I'm an Ironic core reviewer and work on OnMetal at Rackspace.

At Rackspace, we run ahead of Ironic trunk. It's true that we haven't been super vigilant about upstreaming our patches into Ironic; this is not because it's "secret sauce", not because we don't care. Priorities are hard, both upstream and downstream.

OpenStack moves slowly compared to a team developing proprietary software. This is a well-known fact. We do our best to upstream our patches as quickly as the project allows, but they often need to be improved to work with other hardware/drivers/etc.

For example, when we launched in July, we already had support for "cleaning" a server - erasing disks, flashing firmware, etc. The "spec" for the new feature was first posted upstream June 25, 2014.[0] This spec finally landed last January 16, 2015.

Our work on improving network support in Ironic has been similar; the project hasn't been ready for it (again, priorities). It's been done in the open[1], but the code is not in Ironic trunk yet.

We've been extremely open about what we're doing since we joined the Ironic project almost a year ago; I'm curious which patches the article has in mind.

As an Ironic developer, this article bums me out a bit, but it's a good pointer as to what we're doing poorly. /me starts writing better docs

[0] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102685/ [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-neutron-bonding




I just wanted to chime in here to say that although there were several situations where our questions couldn't be answered, we probably wouldn't have made it as far with our testing if it wasn't for the answers that were received from the openstack ironic developers. I should also point out that I've always found the openstack ironic devs to be kind and professional. So be it as it may, it is unfortunate that there are some conflicting priorities but I certainly do not blame the devs.


This is excellent information, thanks for sharing it, and correcting my assumptions above.




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