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I think there currently is precious little in this whole debate that isn't politicized. Anytime you deal with people and social solution you get politics. I just find it interesting that some of the thinking that brought paid indulgences to the medieval church have returned in the modern era. The history of indulgences is very entertaining.

My personal biggest problem with cap-and-trade is that it doesn't address any issues of the third world. Also, after reading about the implementation, it seems to create a new class of people making money off a system and not a product.



I think there currently is precious little in this whole debate that isn't politicized.

Yes, which is all the more reason to call out the bullshit artists when they're trying to make things worse. Just throwing your hands up and ignoring it only enables the people who want to twist science to their own ends.


I don't mind calling people out. I think removing the fallacies from debates is a great thing, but the bullshit artists have the biggest megaphones. Look at this article http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=887768 for the vaccine version of this crap. Too many people are using this particular debate to advance a monetary or political (anti-globalization, anti-technology, etc.) position that the real data and issues are not even part of the conversation anymore.




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