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> #4. Doesn't the fact that the hack seems to be for retribution and not for personal gain precisely fit the motives of a propaganda-oriented country?

Yes, it could just be US agencies filling the anti-NK propanganda machine via ridicule.




NK does plenty to fuel the anti-NK propaganda machine by itself. It doesn't need the US's support.


Actually, it does absolutely nothing.

(Except maybe to its own people -- but that's their internal politics, not for foreigners to judge, especially since they are so selective about which countries they judge cough SA cough)


Except for shelling SK every once in a while, testing nukes, threatening SK with total devastation.


>Except for shelling SK every once in a while, testing nukes, threatening SK with total devastation

They are two countries that used to be one and had a civil war. What do you expect? Flowers and cakes?

How about countries that non only test, but have actually used nukes in wars (2 of them, on civilians), as well as countries that regularly invade other countries, including countries that have nothing to do with them (e.g. Korea itself, Vietnam, etc)...

People in glasshouses et al...


This analogy breaks down given that SK doesn't shell NK, threaten them with total devastation or test nukes.


Doesn't need to. They have a big bully ally to take care of those things...


Can you name this "big bully ally" that is "shelling NK?"


Really, mass starvation and torture are not for foreigners to judge? How do you figure?


I don't know, is the death penalty also something to judge? Even executions of teenagers in places like Texas?

We sure don't have those were I live.

Maybe the greatest incarceration rate in the world?

...that part of it is even run for profit?

...and that's also predominantly for black people?

Or how about seggregation (until the sixties !!!! and de-facto even now)?

Or abducting people and taking them to a remote non-legal prison -- without a trial or anything? And then torturing them for years.

How about one of the most ruthless and anti-democratic police force this side of a dictatorship? One that can kill you just because you got out of your car when they stopped you? (!!!)

How about talking the land of native americans? To the point that they've been reduced to live in "autonomous" shitholes?

Should some third country have invaded to put an end to those?

(Haven't even mentioned the huge abuses of foreign policy, because this is about internal stuff).


Yes, those are all something for foreigners to judge. Why would you assume otherwise?


So your message is either:

  US == Bad
  Everywhere Else == Good
Or:

  Every government that has every done anything bad
  is *exactly* equal to every other government that
  has ever done anything bad.
Neither of the positions seems particularly defensible...


Yes, and I say this as an American who does still love his country, faults and all. Judge away, we have much to improve upon. Now do I have your permission to judge one of three most violent and rotten regimes in the world?

Comparing the US to NK is still ajoke though.


Are you talking about the 16% of US population living in poverty and CIA torture?


Oh look, another dumb "but but USA" comment.

Anyway, why would you think I'd consider those to be beyond the judgment of foreigners? Or are you just seizing the moment to make a sarcastic comment without regard to people's actual thoughts on the matter?


>Anyway, why would you think I'd consider those to be beyond the judgment of foreigners?

The problem is that USA has a hollier than thou attitude that's not content in "judging" but also plays world cop.


Kindly refrain from blaming me for the attitudes of my countrymen when I don't share said attitudes. I am an individual, not to be characterized purely by the actions of the nation of my citizenship.


According to your logic all of the black people in South Africa supported Apartheid because the people in power supported it.

Please realize that when you are having a discussion with actual people, railing against things that "the US" thinks is pointless (because most people recognize that countries don't have a singular hive-mind), and you paint yourself as a troll.


err the people kidnaped and taken to NK would disagree


The ones kidnaped and taken to Guantanamo would disagree also.


So... the people taken to Guantanamo would disagree that the North Korean government does nothing to warrant the negative publicity that it gets?


So the world should ignore an oppressive and violent regime? The world should ignore a government who threatens pretty much everyone who disagrees with them on an almost daily basis? A country which antagonizes it's neighbors via its military and nuclear missile testing?

You're either mad with hate of the US or just legitimately out of your mind.




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