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$300 ain't bad to save the sight in your eye.



If it isn't obvious, I'm not complaining. Went to hospital with glass in eye while experiencing major discomfort, down from excruciating pain earlier. Left hospital with neither glass in eye nor major discomfort. A+++, would have glass removed from eye again.


Yeah, I was agreeing with you that $300 is pretty fine.


> $300 ain't bad to save the sight in your eye.

Not everyone can afford $300. Consider people on minimum wage (or unemployed), or supporting children on that income. That's most of a week's paycheck; so much for meals, rent, heat, etc.

They always could leave the glass in their eye, as the insurance company suggested.


It is, however, more than $0 (and presumably somewhat galling when you are already paying for health insurance.)


Is it more than nothing, where nothing == taxes? I'm guessing that the amount of your annual taxes that goes toward health care is > ($300 * chance of you incurring $300 in health care costs).


Why guess, when you could get some data?

In the UK, the per-capita spend on healthcare is $3480, of which $2919 is paid by the government (and so raised via taxes) and $561 is private (via health insurance or direct payment).

In the US, the per-capita spend is $8362, of which $4437 is paid by the government (via taxes) and $3925 is private (via health insurance).

This is only a cursory glance, but it does look a bit like nationalized healthcare results in lower private spending and lower government spending (the extra spend in the US presumably goes into the pockets of doctors, pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies).

Data sourced from the World Health Organization, via The Guardian[0]

[0] http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jun/30/healthc...


At that point it seems like what America needs is to hit the reset button and throw everything away. Because it's insane that the US spends more tax money on healthcare than the UK.


I wasn't really defending the US system in general, but I don't think nationalizing healthcare in the USA will lower taxes. The inefficiencies aren't inherent in privatized health care, they are a result of a corrupt system. The corruption isn't going to change if we give the government more control over the system.


> The inefficiencies aren't inherent in privatized health care

No, but lots of them are inherent in having a nest of overlapping private and public health insurers (regular, workers compensation, and others) each of whom spend considerable resources making sure that they don't pay for something a different insurer (public or private) could instead be compelled to pay for.

> they are a result of a corrupt system.

Believing that the excess costs in the US system are a result of "corruption" rather than the structural inefficiencies of the architecture of the system requires believing that Americans are unusually, among citizens of developed countries, corrupt. This is not utterly implausible, but it is a claim that requires some support.


Why not? Cutting the insurance companies completely out of the picture changes almost everything.


Just wait for the Tory Government to push the "greater private sector involvement in the NHS" argument to its limit (ie privatization): http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/28/cameron-warne...


The Medicare levy in Australia is about 2%. For me this translates to about $1500pa. Contrast this to my private health insurance which costs about $2000pa. The Medicare levy scales with income and the rate is lower than 2% for people on low incomes, and higher for people who don't have private health insurance. Private health insurance does not scale to income, only to services required.

Medicare provides certainty: if you need treatment, some of it is going to be covered by Medicare. There is a schedule of how much Medicare will pay for certain procedures and medications[1].

With private health insurance you can sometimes choose to have private rooms or select a specific doctor/surgeon.

We have a national health insurance scheme because Australia has a culture of looking out for your mates.

[1] Procedures are covered by the Medical Benefits Schedule http://www.health.gov.au/internet/mbsonline/publishing.nsf/C... while medications are covered by the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme: http://pbs.gov.au/pbs/home


The poor don't tend to pay a lot of taxes.


Lots of insurance has a deductible. Doesn't stop it from being galling... I've made two trips to urgent care this year and just hit my deductible, but those will probably be the only healthcare costs I incur this year meaning United collects yet another year of my premiums in return for nothing.


>Lots of insurance has a deductible

Aw yiss! Bureaucracy is so much better when it's private bureaucracy! Nothing against you, mind, it's just that I hate that kind of stuff.


>meaning United collects yet another year of my premiums in return for nothing.

Insurance doesn't work if you only pay premiums when you are sick.


Nor does it work if it doesn't pay out when you are sick.


It certainly works, in that case, for the shareholders of the insurance company.


It's also more than -$300, and it would certainly be nice if the doctor paid you to use his or her services.




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