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I was not trying to say the article had supporting evidence, simply that the study (showing a decrease in scores after having been in school for 18 months) helps the argument, rather than the argument simply being a anecdote. "School dumbs you down" is a sentiment that has been around for quite a while, but (as far as I have seen) hasn't been tested. This study, at least, shows that it may be worth testing (which was my point).



Yes, it's been studied, and the opposite is true:

http://books.google.com/books?id=hbJB6z5dZswC&pg=PA70...


Not the same thing. Showing a correlation between the number of years of schooling a person had and their IQ is not the same as a decrease in IQ before and after schooling.


Okay, I took some time to find a better link.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/chance_news/recent_news/cha...

"In one 1932 study of children living in Virginia's Blue Ridge Mountains, the I.Q.s of 6-year-olds were "not much below the national average, but, by age 14, the children's I.Q.s had plummeted into the "mentally retarded range," with the degree of falloff directly related to the years of school the child had missed. Likewise, a study done in the 1980s shows that I.Q. scores for kids on summer vacation drop by a statistically significant amount, as compared to their I.Q. scores before vacation. Swedish psychologists found that finishing high school bumps up I.Q. by about 8 points over what it would be if the same child had dropped out after junior high. Likewise, an American research team found that every year of schooling increases I.Q. by about 3.5 points."

Believe me, this subject has been studied quite a bit.


Thank you! These are great counter points to all those that follow the "school dumbs you down" meme.


Well, that's if you accept that having a SLIGHTLY higher IQ is the same as being "smarter" in any real-world sense.

But I think the concern about many school situations in the United States is that they are plainly unsuitable for gifted learners

http://www.accelerationinstitute.org/Nation_Deceived/

(however "gifted learners" are defined). Another concern about United States schools is that they appear to badly underperform compared to schools in many other places, for learners of all ability levels.

http://nces.ed.gov/timss/

Concerns of these kinds have motivated hundreds of college-educated parents I know to choose to homeschool their children, to make sure the children aren't slowed down academically. Some seventeen-year-olds find it fun to study abstract algebra with the Artin textbook (through dual enrollment at the local university as a "twelfth grade" homeschooler) or algorithms with the Cormen textbook. The standard K-12 school curriculum doesn't fit all learners, and especially not the most able learners.

http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Resources/AoPS_R_A_Calcul...


Please correct me if I misunderstand, but I generally take "helps the argument" and "had supporting evidence" to be very close to the same thing. And this article does neither.




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