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I love the free market! Nothing's wrong with the free market! Buy what you want, people!

I'm simply saying that, in my opinion, they do not offer fair value, despite what other people say. I'm of the opinion that Apple would have to lower their price significantly before I would consider a purchase of any of their products. I'm saying that Apple's excessive extra cash comes from an extremely high premium on all their products.




I understand and appreciate that you don't find value in their products. That's your call and not anyone else's to make.

But where you're making a mistake is assuming that value in the market is tied to Apple's internal costs of making a product. That an Apple laptop is not a good value, because its price is 30% above the costs to produce it.

That's not a useful definition of value. Value is the utility people get from a product, relative to the cost they incurred in obtaining the product.

Suppose a computer manufacturer produces a real stinking pile of garbage laptop. It's hard to use, the screen flickers, keys break, you name it. But it's half the price of the existing lowest cost product, and they're only making 1% gross margins on it. Is that a good value? If you value your ability to get anything done on it, probably not. What their margin was on it really doesn't matter.

Similarly, many people value the product attributes of an Apple laptop so highly (they see fewer bugs, ease of use, productivity, etc) that the fact that it costs so much more than what they could get elsewhere doesn't translate to a poorer value, because they get so much more out of it. Imagine a professional, for example, who is 10% more productive on a Macbook than a Dell laptop. Their time is worth $100 an hour. Suppose the price difference was $1k. In as little as 100 hours of work -- two weeks' of use -- they begin realizing better value from that MacBook than the Dell.

Now, those numbers are facetious, but the principle stands: it's quite easy for a more costly product with higher margins for the manufacturer to be a better value to the buyer than a less costly product from a manufacturer with lower margins.


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features aren't everything. I'd prefer to buy a better designed tool that does less then a poorly designed tool that does more.


Exactly, people in the West buy iPods because they get brainwashed to do so. They may explode or Apple might lie (iPhone MMS anybody?) or kill its employees, the consumerist zombies will still blindly follow the brand.

Apple is a cult not a company.


I don't believe you are making genuine, thoughtful statements here.

Apple has made real, substantive progress in design. There was nothing like the iPhone when it was brought to market. Nothing even similar.

Their aluminum notebooks use a manufacturing process that has never been used in notebook construction before, and the result is a product that feels more solid even than my Thinkpad.

Their original iPods brought a simplicity of interaction (the touch scroll wheel) that had never been done before.

You may find the prices they charge for their products, or elements of their business conduct, to be distasteful. That's fine, and they are valid points. But to argue that people buy iPods because they are 'brainwashed,' or are 'zombies' blindly following the brand, or that it's a 'cult not a company' is so thoughtless that it makes one believe that you are not prepared to engage in reasoned discourse because flippant comments are easier.


"There was nothing like the iPhone when it was brought to market. Nothing even similar."

That's not true. The iPhone is a rip off of the Linux based deeda Pi that has been developed way before the iPhone. The iPhone actually killed the open source deeda Pi project.

See here: http://applephones.blogspot.com/2007/04/is-apple-iphone-copy...




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