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Is "they don't deserve the rights I enjoy" anything but homophobia?

(Unless this is a dictionary attack where you're over-parsing "homophobic" as something other than "anti-gay" in some odd quest to prove a meaningless point, in which case, get on with your pedant self.)




Henry Ford published a series of anti-semitic pamphlets, but that didn't take away from his prowess as a founder/CEO.

I don't agree with Eich's views, but simply focusing on that aspect of him isn't the strongest of bases upon which to judge him.


It certainly took away from Ford as a basically decent human being, and call me crazy but I kind of value human decency over business savvy, you know? This isn't an attack on you, so please don't mistake it as such, but the celebration of business amorality leads to this sort of calculus and the desire to put that optimal effectiveness above human decency--and that disturbs me deeply. People matter more.


The Hacker News automated capitalism-is-super-fucking-awesome excuse generator has randomly selected the following justification for putting business amorality over human decency:

The free market will decide.


Of course people matter more, and I admit I reached when I brought Henry Ford into this. This entire discussion just strikes me as a bit misguided, there are more to people than a single belief and judging them solely by one aspect of their personality just doesn't agree with me.

That's not to say this belief isn't indicative of the rest of Eich's values, but automatically assuming he isn't a decent human being because of it just seems premature without any other evidence.


Henry Ford was one of the worst people in history, and writings that he sponsored and opinions that he espoused were referenced frequently by the architects of the Holocaust.

That says nothing about his ability to make money, but Mozilla is a non-profit exercise.


This is off-topic, but I did not know that about Ford. I find it very interesting that Huxley invented a dystopian society which also praised Henry Ford but for completely different reasons.


> Unless this is a dictionary attack where you're over-parsing "homophobic" as something other than "anti-gay"

well first of all, it's not pedantic to point out that that word is being abused. second, we're not dealing with "anti-gay", but with "anti-gay marriage" - which, as has been pointed out, was the mainstream position for most of America until just a few years ago, and the mainstream position for both Democratic and Republican candidates until even more recently.


> we're not dealing with "anti-gay", but with "anti-gay marriage"

Which is a distinction without a difference.




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