> "In my own experience - I've known a few people who were genuinely better at their development work in open environments. Better as in measured output vs what they thought of themselves. They felt better - they liked the atmosphere - but they also thought they did good work, when they weren't doing terribly good work."
See the part of my original post: "Every single argument boils down to "there's simply no way you've had a positive experience, your experience was actually negative but you're too dumb to know it""
You're doing it right now. I'm not prescribing open-plan offices on you, so don't prescribe yours onto me. Furthermore, this blind assertion "people who like open plan are actually more productive in private offices" has a gigantic "citation needed" on it. It is a universal assertion every time it comes up, yet is NEVER substantiated.
> ""hey - I ENJOY working in open plan areas" is used to justify it for everyone."
Except no one here is doing this. You're setting up a straw man and declaring gleeful victory knocking down a stance no one in this thread has advocated.
Look at what others are saying:
"I understand why open floorplans don't work for some people but I personally enjoy working in one..."
"Open floorplans are fine so long as there's an alternative option available."
"We had private rooms too, and many engineers preferred working in quiet, but I'm glad it wasn't all private offices."
No one here is prescribing open floor plans on you, but you have spent many replies in this thread behaving as if they are, and prescribing private offices onto them by insisting that you know their productivity better than they do.
You have spent this entire thread accusing people of forcing their preferences onto you, but it would appear in actuality it's the reverse.
Some of those comments weren't in place when I originally commented.
Yes, not everyone here is advocating that. It's one of the few hot-button issues for me, and it still feels like 'moderate' tones get used to justify herding people in to open plans to save a few bucks.
I'm not accusing people in this thread of doing that - I'm saying it happens a lot on the outside, and the voices of moderation - the types expressed in this thread - get used by non-programmers to justify open plans. Perhaps I didn't clarify that, or perhaps it's a distinction without a difference.
See the part of my original post: "Every single argument boils down to "there's simply no way you've had a positive experience, your experience was actually negative but you're too dumb to know it""
You're doing it right now. I'm not prescribing open-plan offices on you, so don't prescribe yours onto me. Furthermore, this blind assertion "people who like open plan are actually more productive in private offices" has a gigantic "citation needed" on it. It is a universal assertion every time it comes up, yet is NEVER substantiated.
> ""hey - I ENJOY working in open plan areas" is used to justify it for everyone."
Except no one here is doing this. You're setting up a straw man and declaring gleeful victory knocking down a stance no one in this thread has advocated.
Look at what others are saying:
"I understand why open floorplans don't work for some people but I personally enjoy working in one..."
"Open floorplans are fine so long as there's an alternative option available."
"We had private rooms too, and many engineers preferred working in quiet, but I'm glad it wasn't all private offices."
No one here is prescribing open floor plans on you, but you have spent many replies in this thread behaving as if they are, and prescribing private offices onto them by insisting that you know their productivity better than they do.
You have spent this entire thread accusing people of forcing their preferences onto you, but it would appear in actuality it's the reverse.