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Ideas We'd Like to Fund (rockhealth.com)
157 points by mahlie on March 11, 2014 | hide | past | favorite | 54 comments



Rock+Health and Startup Health are awesome launch pads for health startups. I'm happy that the health-focused accelerators are gaining more attention (in the industry).

A big challenge for most accelerators (ycom / techstars / et al) is that the 3 month cycle is not usually long enough for entrepreneurs (new or experienced) to wrap their head around the depths of healthcare, muchness negotiate a sales contract. If you already have experience in this industry, awesome, but if you don't – prepare to spend 3-6 months just navigating the complexities. "Who pays?" is a very interesting question that you should consider in detail, and the answer is usually not the Doctor and almost never the Patient.[1]

In any event, we need more talented entrepreneurs working on some of these issues and not fast-following to be the next cool photo/chat app. I recognize a lot of young technologists don't understand why healthcare sucks as a consumer because your body is in great shape, but spend a few weeks in a hospital and you'll find plenty of opportunities if you have the fortitude to deal with the mountain of bs.

Disclaimer: I'm a former consumer / financial guy turned health tech entrepreneur, and participated in TechStars last year.

[1] The consumerism of healthcare is an interesting topic. I do believe that retail clinics will become as popular as a Starbucks and a shift to a consumer-pays model will likely compliment our new healthcare system, but I don't see it happening for the 60-70% of the population suffering from serious chronic diseases. They just can't afford it.


> In any event, we need more talented entrepreneurs working on some of these issues and not fast-following to be the next cool photo/chat app...prepare to spend 3-6 months just navigating the complexities.

Totally agree. The healthcare domain is incredibly difficult, especially for small companies that aim their product at medical professionals (speaking from experience here).

- As you said, who pays? There are a lot of different stakeholders in the purchase of a medical device: medical professionals, insurance companies, IT department, hospital risk management, etc. You need to consider them all.

- The healthcare market is incredibly conservative. If you have a fantastic product, but it requires changes to established processes, you need a really good story before someone will even consider purchasing it.

- The healthcare market is used to having products actively pushed to them. Standard marketing (e.g. nice website, advertising, etc) will not bring you customers. You have to keep in mind that medical professionals are used to "study" trips to locations with a nice beach.

- Medical devices (hardware, but also software) require CE certification, FDA approval or other forms of certification. Which can be expensive and time consuming.


Plan for 3-6 months just for contract approval, AFTER a yes.

Also be very careful about IP when collaborating. Budget lots for lawyers, especially when selling to academic centers.


These guys should come hang out in the Twin Cities startup scene. Due to the presence of some health care giants (United Healthcare, Medtronic, etc), we have a lot of health-oriented startups, a lot of domain-specific talent, and a lot of interest in our local investing community.

As we've been growing our startup community here, one thing that interests me and a lot of others is how we can turn our concentration of Fortune 500 and big enterprise companies here into an advantage. Health care seems to be the best lever, to me.


Malay here from Rock Health—you're absolutely right. We have two close partners in the area (UnitedHealthcare and Mayo both) and come out once or twice a year.

I'd love to connect with the community next time I'm in the Twin Cities. Send me an e-mail (in profile or malay@rockhealth).


You should also get in touch with John Fein [0], who's running the Sprint/Techstars Accelerator [1] in Kansas City. They're doing mobile health, starting (today, as it happens) with ten companies.

Like the Twin Cities, KC has a growing health-tech scene, with Cerner and a slew of new companies. There are also more veterinary biotech companies here than anywhere else in the world, and many of them are looking for ways to bring their technologies into the human-health market.

0. https://twitter.com/johnfein

1. http://sprintaccelerator.com/ or https://twitter.com/SprintAccel


Also checkout minnedemo[1] for twin cities startups events.

And tech.mn[2] for news.

http://minnestar.org/minnedemo/

http://www.tech.mn


These guys are in my building here in Minneapolis

http://healthcare.mn/


> 72% of internet users said they looked online for health information in the last year

This is incredible, but in my view, the problem is that people are usually looking for answers, which they can't be given due to lots of regulations. And no one wants to spend $100 or more on a doctor visit for a concern that turns out to be absolutely nothing. Yet oftentimes that's the only choice people are, essentially, given. Not only they have to spend money, but also time. And they only get information from one source (a doctor they visit).

That's why we created http://coinmd.org We've got some bad publicity and some good publicity, which, I think, is a good sign in general. But I honestly hope that projects like ours will flourish, as they open up opportunities to lower the cost of healthcare and make it accessible to virtually everyone in the world.


I'm not sure how to put my finger on it, but the problem that causes a regular appendicitis patient like to me to emerge from an American hospital with a $54,000 bill is one that needs solving.


What about (off the top of my head), a hospital that is funded by a network of companies. It only treats people who work for these companies, and the companies all foot the bill based on # of employees.

The companies own the hospital and run it at break-even, and make sure that all costs are low.

I could see something like this working in urban centers where there is a high concentration of large, highly-profitable companies. Silicon Valley, NY, Boston, LA.

It goes way beyond just fixing your appendicitis (which, by the way, that is one massive bill), but should (theoretically) still fix that problem.


And they can easily make sure costs are low by firing employees with regular appendicitis! Brilliant!


I said the idea was off the top of my head!

It could be a double-blind. Hospital doesn't know which of the companies you work for, and the company doesn't know which employees are costing them money.


Do not link employment with the health system. There is no way for that to lead to a good outcome.


Why not? We link other things with employment for cities where there's a large, concentrated number of employees. Towns with fire departments owned by the companies.


Do we really need to make things harder for self-employed folks? That insurance is in any way linked to your employer is already complete folly. The car insurance, single-payer, and exchange-based models are all fundamentally better than the "no one knows how much anything costs" model of employer-sponsored health care.


RockHealth is a great organization with great, passionate people. They will help you navigate the various stakeholders in healthcare like no one else can. They also accept applications on a rolling basis - no deadlines and an answer in 30 days. They also don't take equity to participate though you can choose to take on a convertible note.


First time I've heard of them to be honest. What are their boundaries? Do they stay within "professional health" areas, or do they have expertise in nutritional fields as well?


What expertise do you specifically mean? Btw, Labdoor was in our batch, they test nutritional supplements and tell you whats really in them.


Oh excellent, that's pretty much what I wanted to know. Labdoor's exactly in our field and I've been meaning to reach out to them anyway. Thanks.


I suspect most of the $700 billion is wasted because of insurance companies - not paperwork.


This is absolutely at the root of the problem. Getting rid of the paperwork will just increase their bottom line.


I often wonder how much programmer time has been spent munging data into a form that insurance companies' archaic systems find palatable?


Not a whole lot I think. Technically speaking they are rather straightforward and easy-to-program transaction specs. And it's only recently that electronic health insurance transactions have been mandated. The problem is actually in the broader domain of healthcare billing and "coding", a problem which software can facilitate but probably not solve. In my opinion anyway.


billing and coding is not a technical problem, per se. many public domain coding schemes exist, and there are lookup tables to map across each. lots of open source tools to help.

the problem is redundant inefficient systems subsidized by your tax dollars.

at hospitals i have seen literally 5 overlapping emr systems for a given service that require MDs to cut and paste data that is inaccurate, stale, and irrelevant to the context of the patient encounter. then they print out a pdf and mark it up with pen. THAT is the real record they use since the emr is so bad

emrs were designed by programmers, not by clinical users. very poor interfaces. 10 clicks just to do anything. need a new feature? 2015 release is just around the corner.

too bad we just spent billions of US tax dollars subsidizing emr systems that are DOA (many physicians i know put their records on box or google docs, hipaa be damned - just to get their work done!)


Regarding idea #1 - "We’re looking for an iconic consumer company to reinvent health information."

This would be great. I wish there was something out there that provided objective up-to-date interpretations of health-related medical publications applicable to everyday living. For example, conventional knowledge vilifies saturated fats, but new research seems to indicate otherwise. Numerous diets exist all clamining to be optimal and backed by science. What scares me is finding out 20 years from now, all efforts at maintaining a healthy lifestyle were completely misdirected and in fact, unecessary or even detrimental. What are some ways to accomplish a completely unbiased health guide? It could be based on meta-analysis of academic publications, crowd-sourced, or expert peer-reviews...just something that weighs the reliability of research, points out any deficiencies, and fights the propagation of sensational headlines like "Red meat kills you!" anytime some journalist misinterprets a dubiously controlled experiment on lab rats that shows a statistically insignificant correlation between two variables.


The NHS website does a pretty good job. It's obviously aimed at the UK populace, but presumably the info is accessible to anyone with an internet connection - http://www.nhs.uk/

Their "Behind the headlines" blog picks apart popular health stories reported in the (UK) press - http://www.nhs.uk/news/Pages/NewsIndex.aspx

I can't say I would necessarily trust a consumer company for health information, but that's probably an attitude shaped by having a state-funded, not-for-profit health system.


Right, sure, but remember that you can be beaten to market and in market by anybody selling quack advice that plays better to what people want to here.

The quality and veracity of a lifestyle product is largely unimportant.


I don't get this. Is it a VC firm? They seem fuzzy on details. "We provide startups with funding" then a list of VC partners. Are they one of those 'we help you get funding' companies who actually do the opposite?

Does anyone know, as I've never heard of them.


We're a full-service seed fund. Our roots were as an accelerator, but over time, we have realized that we continue to support our portfolio companies long after they "finish" at Rock Health.

Our equity investment model is very similar to the YC/Start Fund relationship. KPCB, Mohr Davidow Ventures, and Mayo Clinic fund the companies we select with a $100,000 convertible note, at the same terms of an existing/pending seed round, or on flexible terms up to an uncapped note. We're different from YC in the sense that Rock Health itself takes no equity in the companies. We try to be extremely entrepreneur-friendly, and ultimately, the convertible note is entirely optional. For companies that don't want the note, we write non-dilutive grants up to $20,000.

In terms of whether we help our companies get funding (or not), our companies have raised more than $100M[1] from investors including Collaborative Fund, Felicis, First Round, Floodgate, Founders Collective, Founders Fund, General Catalyst, Khosla Ventures, NEA, The Social+Capital Partnership, SV Angel, True Ventures, and USVP, just to name a few (for context, our first cohort of companies finished at Rock Health in November 2011).

[1]http://rockhealth.com/about/annual-report/


Of course, researchers/clinicians can get SBIR and/or NSF grants. From my perspective, funding is not the criticsl path problem.

Lack of a ROI focus and accountability for spending at an organizational level at care delivery organizations is the problem.

Consumer apps can sidestep some of the backwards thinking in care delivery, but if you follow the cost drivers systemically, real innovation that moves the cost needle can be as simple as reducing redundant labor costs, or increasing patient self-service at care delivery interfaces. Nothing that can't be done with circa 1996 web technologies.

Unfortunatelty, human/political organizational barriers to such changes protect entrenched interests and prevent game changing innovation.

That said, I am seeing some minimal attention to real change as accountable care/quality metrics become more front and center due to MU2. Let's hope it doesn't degrade into more subsidies for entrenched vendors to maintain the status quo.


Wow that's pretty awesome. We need to take a look at that when ready to make a funding run.


They provide a 20k grant (for no equity) and a 100k note on decent terms (but worse than YCVC) through KPCB, Mohr Davidow, Aberdare, and Mayo clinic.


You should come to St. Louis Missouri. We do a lot of medical research here. Check out the universities, you will find cutting edge tech there.

If you make an app that uses sensors attached to a smart phone it would make it a lot easier for doctors to diagnose problems. Stuff like taking temperature or blood pressure and then recording it into a database would be great starts.


I'm working on the genomic sequencing problem at a hardware level (actually, it's pretty cool, I just got the prototype working and no one else has anything close in terms of transduction mechanism or fundamental stability).

What are the chances of RockHealth funding something like that?


IMO, you don't really go to RH for funding but for all the opportunities they can open for you if you really have something that is cool and working. The funding is a cherry on the top.


We would love to hear more about it. We don't have any sequencing companies, but have multiple hardware and medical device companies in our portfolio. We don't shy from capital-intensive businesses.


Fantastic, we are currently finishing up some of the basic research. After wrapping that up, we will be searching for the funding source/incubator that offers the best fit. I know one of the founders of one of your portfolio companies and have only heard good things.


Would love to hear more about this. Are you looking for research collabs?


We aren't looking for collaborators at the moment, everything is pretty much in house. Once we have an actual shippable, packaged product, we will need collaborators for testing.


Got an email where I can register future interest? :). Or feel free to email me (address in profile). We have long-term high-impact crop engineering projects that can always be accelerated by better sequencing. And bioinformatics developers always looking to make tooling for new tech.


I'll add you to my list of contacts that may be interested testing down the road, no problem


We should talk. I’m working on a similar problem.


I'm a doctor with a working application that is currently being used in a couple of hospitals. It might fill one of these areas. I would be interested in submitting. Is there a particular format for the business plan? I've never done official tech entrepreneur stuff.


Visit rockhealth.com/startups/submit/ and let us know if you have any questions. We host office hours every week or I'm happy to walk you through it via e-mail.


Has no one mentioned https://www.healthsherpa.com/ ? It's pretty much the cleanest healthcare information site I've seen.


Our startup is already working on the first one. We connect people to healthcare providers and services, and we're in the process of partnering with the #1 most recognizable company that provides health information to consumers. Join us in Houston, home to the largest medical center in the world!


CompassMD http://compassmd.com/ is addressing #1 and are getting great traction from what I hear.


100% true! We believe that there is a trifecta for finding and choosing doctors: Cost, Quality and Compatibility. The compatibility component has been largely ignored... that's where we shine.


We were even selected as one of four winners at the Innov8 For Health Idea Expo last week http://innov8forhealth.com. Does compatibility between you and the doctor matter?


I've heard about them as well, definitely should give compassMD a look sounds like they would be right up their ally.


What about ideas on medical tourism? Is that something interesting and valuable for people?


The introductory paragraph of the article makes my head hurt.


not to mention, proximity to Mayo which has been doing some pretty cool stuff w/r/t imnovation




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