I miss the days when things that gratify my intelectual curiosity where the things that got upvotes on HN and things that attract low value flaming didn't get upvoted.

Have a look through this thead for the number of people making the "we don't have programmes to get men in nursing" point. Then see that point being made, and rebutted, in every single previous similar thread. There is no point trying to hold logical conversation with people who are dishonest.

These people don't recognise their bias. Indeed, they have a weird pride in that bias, as if they have The Truth and all those other sheep are being duped by The Women.

We all carry some bias. It's like telling a strong animal rightist about hunting. They are not going to agree with you whatsoever, even if it's just philosophical discussion.

> Then see that point being made, and rebutted, in every single previous similar thread. There is no point trying to hold logical conversation with people who are dishonest.

People are just trying to bring out their own arguments. It's not all that weird to argue that someone would want to have more male nurses because the public image of nurse is feminine.

Some arguments are weak and some are strong. For example, in abortion, the two most flammable are status of the fetus and the woman's right, but to be honest, after reading Rosalind Hursthouse's Abortion paper, you will that neither is relevant in the discussion of abortion. But we still bring them up because that's just how people view the issue and I think that's fair and not dishonest.

Dismissive and dishonest responses are those just reject facts without proof. For example, if someone says there are enough women in the tech sector that's a lie because we know the number is not high and we shouldn't place any quota at all. But if someone says that we have enough opportunity for women to enter the tech sector that's not dismissive or dishonest. It's a fair argument because the lack of resource vary from location to location, from age to age, from school to school and vary from personal experience.