what is being said closely resembles corporate/government structure and it's people (successful) ones at least by my experience. Mostly doing fiercely mediocre job and doing the social part they advance themselves for sole benefit of themselves. Where this goes against the grain of hn community is that people who gather here are self starter types and have started or looking up to who did start their own gig to avoid being in the same environment where people like that strive - corporate ladder climbers etc..
