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Like many who visit HN, I am an atheist. I am coming to believe, however, that the production of CO2 is the greatest sin, in the religious sense, that exists today

Yes, global warming has become the religion of leftists.




This is such a ridiculous statement.

Leftists like Bill Gates, Newt Gingrich, John Hunstman, Frederick Smith, Susan Collins, Tim Pawlenty?

Cap and Trade was a free-market republican idea originally [1], but now that it's being advocated by the 'Leftists', it's become much more politicized.

A plurality of scientists agree that steps should be taken, the FUD denial is all paid for by a dozen companies who stand to profit from additional delays, yet it's somehow comparable to 'religion' to think that we should take action?

[1] - http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Presence-of-Min...


Cap'n Trade was, is, and will always be a guaranteed frenzy of corrupt corporatist rent-seeking. Both varieties of Coke-and-Pepsi Repubmocrat eat from that trough. I actually wish they'd pass a carbon tax, only to forestall the disaster that Cap'n Trade would be.


He didn't say only leftists.


Most scientists agreed that fire involved phlogiston not so very long ago.


Thank god the coal companies of the day discredited them. Oh no, it was science that discarded phlogiston? Carry on.


It's not just global warming, it's also the "food safety" button - the GMO scaremongering and the whole "organic" deal.

Both conservatives and liberals get very religious about what people put in their bodies; the two sides differ primarily on which orifice concerns them the most.


I always find it funny when the religious claim that atheists are actually religious too and use that to dismiss them.


Laugh away, but I'm not religious at all, and the same bullshit that turned me away from religion also turns me away from atheism.


You can deny the categories all you want, but that doesn't mean you don't fall into one of them. Ideology does make a mess of things, but that doesn't mean that the causes gripped by ideology are incorrect. (On either side.)


No one group of humans has a monopoly of being 100% free from bullshitters. There's a large group of mostly silent atheists who are perfectly reasonable, just as there are groups of less-silent lunatics.


True enough, but this observation cuts both ways. There are also large groups of mostly-silent religious people who are perfectly reasonable, to a point. Like the atheists, however, many religions allow the prudentialists, perfectionists, and guilt-trippers to shit all over the place. No thanks, to both of them.


Serious question: if you're not a believer and you're not a nonbeliever, where did you wind up?


Nihilism?


I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

At this point in time I'm more interested in the experiences of living and learning. I don't care enough about "ultimate" questions or answers to accept or reject them. I don't need to be right about this; tomorrow I might decide to be a hardcore fundamentalist X, for any value of X. When I talk to friends and family who have beliefs (or not) of any sort, I try to emphasize the good parts of their systems: those parts that seem the most likely to help them in the ways they need help. I also critique those concepts that don't seem likely to help, but only for that reason, not because they're "true" or not.

I've probably said too much; this is really off-topic for HN.


Or, an atheist who sees a profound ethical issue uses a religious metaphor to describe the magnitude and emotional response, take your pick.


Someone famous once said something to the effect of: "When people believe in nothing, they will believe anything."

Interestingly enough most of those people are completely in denial about their own irrational zealotry.


"One of the peculiar sins of the twentieth century which we've developed to a very high level is the sin of credulity. It has been said that when human beings stop believing in God they believe in nothing. The truth is much worse: they believe in anything."

Malcolm Muggeridge


That's it, thanks!


I think what you are referring to is: “He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.” ― Alexander Hamilton

Nice try though.


Actually it seems like that's not the correct attribution. It was probably Peter Marshall:

"Give to us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for—because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."


Seems like he mixed a few quotes up to me. ;)




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