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> I was told that neither salary nor equity were negotiable, but I was sold on the promise of the company.

Yo, fuck that. Everything is negotiable to one degree or another. That sounds like someone trying to take advantage of you.




Everything can be negotiable. But it's important to know exactly what your pull is in the negotiations. I recently negotiated a recruiter out of their standard contract for freelancers, and had them accept my proposal for a contract.

This only happened for two reasons: there was some bad stuff in that contract that I really didn't want to agree to, and if they didn't sign a contract with me, I could go directly to their client. They had no power over me, and we both knew it.


Well, you can negotiate to not take the job... I don't see why a company can't hold its ground on salary if it chooses to rule out anyone wishing to get a bit more.


There was a negotiation and he lost


I've never understood that. Just taking a job because OH MY GOD JOB. I've been in on going salary negotiations for over two months, all while they paid me the highest contrator salary just to have me stay on. Straight up said "Pay me X or I walk, thanks". 5 second meeting.

FUCK company/corporate loyalty. I'm here to get paid so I can fund an adventurous life, not to make you richer. I'm here to make myself richer and that's 100% all there is to it.

Know your value, unless you're really in a bind.

That was it.


Hats off to you man. I made a demand similar to yours the other week, though done in friendly words while being nervous about it, and my boss got visibly upset with me (guilt tripping almost), and I got the "too much red tape to just raise your salary like that. I'll talk to HR, maybe a percentage of what you want..." I know the team is pretty dependent on me right now so maybe my next move is to give the ultimatum (and maybe my first mistake was not doing just that...).


You are replaceable.

Let me repeat that: you are replaceable.

It's not up to you to decide how the team fares after you're gone: that's your boss' problem. If he doesn't want to pay you what you need, then you are perfectly within your rights to leave immediately or with two weeks notice. He knows what the consequences of you leaving are and it's his decision whether or not refusing to pay your salary demands is worth it.


I'd say in a healthy employee/employer relationship, you're both making each other richer.


Nope -- you always make the boss richer.


Well, in the strictest sense, I'm getting richer by being employed. Of course, good money handling and living below my means are required for me to make progress.

I think you mean to say that "my boss" is capturing more value from my work than I am, which is probably true, but that doesn't mean that we're not both benefiting. I look at it as a simple transaction; I give my time, he gives me money. I don't plan to keep this arrangement forever, but it's certainly making me richer right now.


Absolutely not unless you are a co founder or have a significant share in the company.




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