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You're parting hairs and completely missed Snowden's point: that the US government has slickly put him in limbo. He either turns himself in or ends up like the guy in the Tom Hanks movie, Terminal.



Stretching the truth is wholly unnecessary to making such a point. Need I argue that the ends do not justify the means?


But clearly he did not stretch the truth, you just failed to understand the full meaning of exile. An accident, but easily remedied. Why are you so insistent that he is stretching the truth?


Your argument stems from an inability to check what "exile" is...

     "Exile means to be away from one's home (i.e. city, state
     or country), while either being explicitly refused
     permission to return and/or being threatened with
     imprisonment or death upon return." [0]
Hopefully that clears things up...

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exile


Just to be clear - he hasn't been exiled by the US. He is in self-imposed exile to avoid prosecution.

They haven't revoked his citizenship... just his passport. That doesn't remove citizenship, just the ability to travel abroad.


If he returns to the US he will be tortured, as Manning was, prior to trial for much the same charge.

It's not self-imposed exile if returning to the US is a non-option due to their DEMONSTRATED TENDENCY to deny prisoners their basic human rights.


My understanding is that the imprisonment/death would be a penalty for breaking the terms of the exile, which is something quite different.


Fair enough, but at this point it's pretty close to exile without being a perfect example...

Still: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5974040

I think effectively it is a bad situation which has been created for him by the United States government. They are definitely manipulating his citizenship for their purposes whether you like the wording or not.


They revoked his passport because he's wanted for questioning about a crime. How is that different from any other criminal who flees abroad?


They revoked his passport because they needed time to negotiate with other countries to refuse him the right to asylum.

And this isn't about just being questioned. If he is extradited back to the US, expect a lot worse to happen to him...

What he has done is no doubt illegal, but it also strikes me as a positive thing. I disagree with people that say he is a fugitive from justice - I think it's very clear that he is a fugitive from injustice. He has shown us injustices from the US government - and now they wish to have him stand trial in order that they can lock him up for life, sentence him to death or torture him.

Is there a difference between Snowden and other criminals? Yes, Snowden has done the right thing.




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