So make the successes public in full detail.

I cant tell if this is a legitimate response or if you are being obtuse.

I'm being serious. HN is nothing if not ultra-rational (or so we claim). Evidence trumps all. Prove surveillance works, that it's necessary, works better than any conceivable alternative, and that the damage to society is worth it, and your empirical proof will be accepted.

Are you drunk? I never said anything like this.

How about if you two just stop?

My apologies. I did not intend to come across as argumentative.