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The employers I've worked at, since about 2002, have had a large pool to pick from, and those looking for a job have gotten less and less of a cut of profits and their benefits have been cut back, fairly consistently (relative to inflation, etc.)

People are still afraid of losing their job. Some people have been under-employed for a long time, now, and are settling for jobs they previously left in distaste. A lot of people feel stuck.

Let me try to rephrase it - there are entrepreneurs, there are people who will accept a lot of risk... and then there are people who feel they cannot move, have a low tolerance for the imagined future pain of being unemployed, worry about the housing market, worry about losing insurance... and when they are unemployed, they stand in line to try to distinguish themselves to the large companies that are nearby, so they can get a stable job.

Heck, I know people with advanced degrees in their fields who have accepted Internships just to have a paycheck.

There's no lack of smart people who will work hard at a stable job, and consider themselves lucky to get an offer for the positions at the companies I've worked at.

If you accept candidates who are not citizens (H-1B), I find it hard to believe that ANY of you have a hard time finding candidates. If you're open to telecommuting, especially.




Are you talking about programmers? Are you talking about the United States? If so, the evidence is not on your on side. It's actually so not on your side that I'm a bit flummoxed.


Software engineers, with advanced degrees and experience, in the United States. The majority of them are not citizens.

At the companies I've worked at, the evidence has been very much on my side.

Maybe I've just taken for granted how desirable the companies I've worked for really are.


Are you saying there's not that many and especially since they are not US citizens? ... That means it's a seller's market.


I'm saying that at the companies I've worked at, I've had a deluge of applications from extremely qualified candidates, the only hesitation anyone might have in hiring them is that a majority are not citizens.

It's a buyer's market where I've worked for my last three jobs.




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