>we need frameworks to implement the same http kernels so we can plug any middleware no matter what the lib is , that's very important.

This is great news - it means PHP is going down the same route that very nearly lead Java to its death and still makes it the laughing-stock of the Dev world. PHP does not have this much traction with enterprisey enterprises, so following Java here probably means PHP is heading for a painful and ugly end.

"Good news, everyone" - Prof. Farnthworth