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The old appeal to popularity. The only argument that is worse is the appeal to faith.

An intellectual circle jerk occurs when one repeats the same old mantra without doing any actual research. There are plenty of "shipping" products in languages like Haskell. I'm no expert on Haskell, but this wasn't hard to find:

http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_in_industry

A better tagline might be: Think more and don't settle for the status quo.




That page has generated some heat in the past: http://flyingfrogblog.blogspot.ch/2010/05/why-is-haskell-use... (admittedly this guy seems to have some personal grievances with people in the Haskell community) I don't know how much the page has changed since this rant was written, but some of the entries seem to be the same, e.g. 'Ansemond LLC' which is a company with a single mac app that hasn't been updated since a beta in 2009 and only mentions Haskell in an old blog post. The site for that company is so charmingly dated that I feel kind of bad for highlighting it, but if this is the kind of 'industry success story' they think worth mentioning then I'm not sure the wiki page is of any value.


>admittedly this guy seems to have some personal grievances with people in the Haskell community

No, he's a troll. He trolled lisp, then haskell, then ocaml. 2010 fell into his haskell phase, that's the entire reason for that particular pile of bullshit.


The thing is, there is some truth in among the bullshit. That 'Haskell in Industry' page really does have links to non existent products or long dead projects or things that don't seem to be using Haskell at all. And even after that blog post was widely circulated 2 years ago the page remains unchanged, and people are still citing it as evidence for the widespread use of Haskell in industry.


That page is just sad when compared to C/C++/Java.

When Haskell is pushing trillions (downloads/cash/views/ads) every year - call me.

Furthermore:

> Bad science. The Haskell community generate an unprecedented amount of bad science, setting out to draw the conclusion that Haskell is great and using every trick in the book to make that conclusion seem feasible. In many cases, it requires quite some effort to uncover the truth. For example, Saynte published results for "naively" parallelized ray tracers and concluded that Haskell was the easiest language to parallelize efficiently, requiring only a single line change. This deception was perpetrated by starting with a "serial" version that had already been extensively reworked in order to make it amenable to parallelization and then disabling optimizations only for the competitors (and even adding their compile times in one case!) in order to make Haskell appear competitive. Moreover, that reworking could only have been done on the basis of extensive benchmarking and development. Even the academics publishing Haskell research are up to it. For example, in the recent paper Regular Shape-polymorphic parallel arrays Manuel Chakravarty et al. artificially close the gap between Haskell and C by benchmarking only cache ignorant algorithms (that spend all of their time stalled on unnecessary cache misses), incorrectly states that such algorithms are "widely used", describes the one-line change required to parallelize the C code as "considerable additional effort" despite the fact that both the serial and parallel C solutions are substantially more concise than their Haskell counterparts, refused to provide me with their C code so that I could try to verify their findings (until I published this blog post, their code is now here) and cherry picked Haskell's highest performing results as a function of the number of threads (which peaks at an unpredictable number before seeing performance degradation). When I voiced my concerns, Don Stewart abused his moderator status on the forum by deleting my criticisms. To date, these flaws in the paper have not been addressed.

Source: http://flyingfrogblog.blogspot.ch/2010/05/why-is-haskell-use...

Guess Haskell knows a thing or two about misrepresentation.


>When Haskell is pushing trillions (downloads/cash/views/ads) every year - call me.

Did you not notice how many banks are on that page?

>Source: http://flyingfrogblog.blogspot.ch/

Are you seriously referencing Harrop to support your argument? You do realize he is a troll right? Not like, people disagree with him, an actual, original definition troll. He jumps from language to language as people learn to ignore him, and has gone through trolling every major functional programming language except F#, which is the one he currently says is perfect and ocaml is shit. Before that, ocaml was perfect and haskell was shit. Before that, haskell was perfect and lisp was shit. Google his name, there's literally thousands of messages from him in mailing list archives demonstrating this.


Those banks do not have significant Haskell investment or units - so your point is void.


Yes, they do. Does posting your made up nonsense online help you believe it?




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