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The Crackpot Index (ucr.edu)
28 points by scott_s on Feb 21, 2009 | hide | past | favorite | 18 comments


This list made an appearance on This American Life.

http://thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1090 (Act 3)


10 points for arguing that while a current well-established theory predicts phenomena correctly, it doesn't explain "why" they occur, or fails to provide a "mechanism".

this one can be legitimate. I suppose they could all be legitimate in the right context (actually being right) but this one shows up fairly often in non-crackpot science. we are still trying to find the mechanism for gravity for example.


Where do people get this idea that "we" don't know the mechanism for gravity?

http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/10/no-one-knows-wh.html

"Mechanisms" that don't give you better predictions really are almost always crackpot. Really understanding a new mechanism usually comes with better predictions of something - though not always everything.


I was speaking of the propagation of gravity which defies C as a limit on mechanical interaction.

you also missed the point of the overcomingbias post, which wasn't that his uncle was wrong, but that he was right for the wrong reason. If an idiot tells you the sky is blue that doesn't make it false. His uncle wasn't making a specific claim against the theory of gravitation, but using gravity as an example of the ignorance of scientists as evidence against listening to their claims in general. this kind of reasoning is common and dangerous.


the propagation of gravity which defies C as a limit on mechanical interaction

Nazgul, you've obviously got no clue how gravity works. You may not realize it, but you don't.

Physicists, on the other hand, do.

This may seem surprising and even insulting, but it shouldn't. This is not a tiny little hunter-gatherer tribe and it's not surprising that there are people out there with knowledge of incredible specialized depth built upon ages of scientific labor all of which you have not the tiniest hint even exists.

Such is the point of the essay.


right, but I'm not using my own ignorance as evidence that I should ignore scientists when they claim that they do in fact understand the mechanism of gravity.

I was under the impression that this was one of the main problems with our understanding of gravity. Have any pointers on material? all wikipedia says that is useful to me is that bodies don't transmit information about their position faster than c, which does solve that particular problem. I just can't wrap my head conceptually around how that works from the frame of reference of the body being acted upon.


I doubt Eliezer missed the point of his own essay.


hahaha foot in mouth. but I stand by my interpretation of the essay.


I like crackpots.

I would say more, like defending the idea of unusual thinking or pointing out great people in history who have been thought of as crackpots, but, alas, that would make me a crackpot too.

I love a system that prevents itself from being criticized.

Let's just say that if you're trying a startup with true world-changing potential, like Google, FaceBook, YouTube, etc -- don't read the list because you're a crackpot too.

What's the old saying? Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get you. Well just because you are a crackpot doesn't mean you can't change the world, either. Lots of crackpots have.


"They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown."

- Carl Sagan

Unusual thinking itself is not valuable. Unusual thinking with rigor is.


Sure. But unusual thinking does not mean a lack of rigor. Simply because you qualify as a crackpot doesn't mean you lack rigor or potential. Just means you're provocative and "out there"

And I liked Bozo the Clown.


Then we have different definitions of "crackpot." My working definition is someone who is convinced their ideas are better than orthodoxy despite no evidence in their favor and reasoning that lacks rigor.

The author of the list is a mathematical physicist. I assume the list is inspired by the letters he receives from people who are sure they've disproved relativity or quantum mechanics.


Rigor is relative, unless you're talking about formal proofs. This struck me as simply a guideline to use in regular conversations with anybody you might meet on the street.

I know who the guy is. I'm just saying there's a fine line between busy and can't be bothered and a pompous asshole with poor social skills.

The list makes me lean towards the latter opinion.


Please consider revising your comment.


You're right.

The last comment was too harsh. If I still had editing capabilities, I'd revise it.

Oddly enough, I'm guilty of the very point I was trying to make.

Thanks for catching it. Apologies to the group for my poor taste.


I like Feynman's phraseology: "Obviously your idea is crazy. All good ideas are crazy. The question is whether your idea is crazy enough."


I think '8' should be amended with Nikolai Tesla.


So what do you do with the credits/index once you figure it out? Does 100 mean you're a crackpot? Is 10 ok?




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