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> all consumer-grade routers produced in foreign countries

Are there even consumer-grade routers that are produced in the USA...?



Guys from heise.de [1] haven't found any.

[1] https://www.heise.de/en/news/USA-bans-all-new-routers-for-co...


But we can still buy old models:

> As outlined below, today’s action does not impact a consumer’s continued use of routers they previously acquired. Nor does it prevent retailers from continuing to sell, import, or market router models approved previously through the FCC’s equipment authorization process. By operation of the FCC’s Covered List rules, the restrictions imposed today apply to new device models.

I’m sure plenty of US factories are capable of importing boxes that look like routers but are actually just switches (because the router firmware is missing) and re-flashing them here…


I suspect "evergreen" model numbering/naming will become even more common in the future.


Right? Even enterprise routers, e.g. Cisco, are not produced in USA.


Qualcomm is a US company right? I've worked on a few WiFi router devices and their chips are pretty popular in that segment. But WiFi is not a priority for Qualcomm (in fact they actively sabotage it for their more profitable 5G segment), and software is even less of a priority. So you had "parsing 802.11 TLVs in the kernel with obvious stack overflows" quality code drops.

(Which is why it's a bit ironic I saw the Google Fiber guy post on X about how they always had TPM^TM "security" in their routers; thats cool, but the drivers you used still made them "general purpose computing over the air" devices)


Doesn't matter where they're headquartered if they use foreign-made components. I don't think there's a robust enough supply chain of domestic materials available (nor cheap enough labor) to feasibly stop using foreign-made components.


You can theoretically use any computer as a router. I've used a Raspberry Pi as a router through a single NIC with VLANs.


Time for the made in USA tin can and a string.


Hey, let's not undersell America's high-tech manufacturing capability. We could easily produce morse code keys and copper wire, for a price of course.


Assembled in the US, the tin comes from Indonesia.


The only one I know of: https://www.islandrouter.com/

> In conjunction with original software development, Island is designed and assembled in the USA to improve security and enable tighter quality control throughout the entire production process. The code for Island routers has only been loaded internally at Island HQ in the U.S; customer support is also managed directly in our U.S. Headquarters.


> consumer-grade routers that are produced in the USA

Starlink?


I believe they make satellite components not consumer hardware in the US


The linked BBC article above says the Starlink terminals are made in Texas.


X-The Everything router, now with 'Mecha Hitler' built in!


Are there any consumer-grade routers that aren't produced in Taiwan?


Even MikroTik routers have a supply chain scattered around the world


But most are still made in Latvia.


Which is still foreign from the USA's perspective. Remember, this new rule is not just against China, but against all foreign-made.


But the fact that a company can manufacture consumer(ish) routers in Latvia means it's very practical that another company could manufacture consumer routers in the US.

Usually the argument is that X can't be made in the US because China's so good at it that the US could never compete, so we shouldn't even try. But if a company with 367 employees in a country with the population of a medium-size metro area can do it, it proves that argument is bunk.


> But the fact that a company can manufacture consumer(ish) routers in Latvia means it's very practical that another company could manufacture consumer routers in the US.

Assembling them in Latvia, or the US, from internationally sourced components isn't a solution to anything.

> Usually the argument is that X can't be made in the US because China's so good at it that the US could never compete, so we shouldn't even try. But if a company with 367 employees in a country with the population of a medium-size metro area can do it, it proves that argument is bunk.

Unless Latvia is a much better environment for this kind of industry than the US is.


> Assembling them in Latvia, or the US, from internationally sourced components isn't a solution to anything.

I disagree. It's the first step. I mean, how did China do it? They started with assembly and low-value manufacturing and worked their way up the value chain. The US still had fabs. Once you get assembly reshored, start pushing to to reshore components (which are mostly chips, and pretty soon the equipment is mostly domestic.

> Unless Latvia is a much better environment for this kind of industry than the US is.

In what way?

Even if the US is utterly terrible for this kind of industry, we're talking about a small-medium sized tech company. It seems extremely doable.




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