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This is a dark day for the monarchy... and for democracy in the UK.

Remove the only people who actually have a long-term vested non-financial interest in the system and replace them with more revolving-door politicians backed by the big money so that the big money can operate with even less friction than before. Great. Just great.

The problem with our current democratic systems with unlimited government fiat money is that capital is in control. Not voters. Capital. This should be obvious by now. Someone deprived of food will vote for whoever you tell them to vote for.



Unlike many progressives I actually think the lords works well as a location for people who are expert in fields other than getting reelected.

But heredity lords, no I don’t get that at all


Oh piss off. It's removing the nobs from the system, people who are there by right of birth alone. There is no reason a modern democracy shoud cow-tow to such people or allow them any power over the rest of us.


Appointees are even worse. We already have MPs who are supposed to be elected but enact the same UN NGO and WEF programmes as other countries without democratic assent.


They really aren't.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather some real democratic reform of the Lords, but there's no chance of that any time soon. In the mean time getting rid of as many people as possible who have no democratic legitimacy whatsoever is a good thing. And at least appointees were in general appointed by someone who had the democratic mandate. People who were born into it are so far from accountable it's not funny.

When the brexit referendum was going on, I lose count of the number of times I was told that having appointees in the EU Commission didn't undermine the democratic nature of the union...

>> We already have MPs who are supposed to be elected but enact the same UN NGO and WEF programmes as other countries without democratic assent.

MPs ... who are elected? Seems like they do have democracy behind them, no?


I am not a fan of the Lords and would have it abolished completely, and replaced with an elected second chamber.

That said appointed peers have no more legitimacy than hereditary ones and that is what we're getting. It allows politicians to stuff the chamber with their own. We're already run by committees and QUANGOs, let alone the United Nations NGOs, none of which have any democratic oversight.

"MPs ... who are elected? Seems like they do have democracy behind them, no?"

There is the whole issue of whether the First Past the Post system does the job or not, and proper representation of minor parties in the press. In fact the British state even punishes minor parties with electoral deposits if they do not get a big enough vote.

But what does it matter if they just enact the same World Economic Forum/COP/WHO etc policies? The UK is gradually getting the same policies as elsewhere on everything from smoking to digital ID and then pretendinf we voted on it.

There is barely a cigarette paper between the current Labour government and the previous Tory government. They are so close on so many issues it's laughable. They just take turns to get into power.




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