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> Consequently, Trump’s approach is the only way forward.

It's the DoD.

Prior to Trump's actions, the American-led "world order" seemed to work, even if we couldn't get China to agree to a "Bretton Woods 2.0".

Biden tried diplomacy with the EU. He tried to get them to agree to a renewed US-led world order, but it wasn't working. The EU decided to play the US and China against each other to improve its own standing, which is why the US is now moving away from the EU.

I think the US could seriously pull out of NATO and leave the EU to fend off Russia by itself. It'll have to start spending enormous tax dollars on defense and war.

Meanwhile, if the world is truly becoming multi-polar, then the US wants to consolidate power in its own hemisphere. This is why there's all the rhetoric and action on Venezuela, Cuba, Greenland, Canada, etc. The US will keep Chinese ports, basing, and trade completely out and secure the trade routes for when the Arctic opens up. It recently changed control over the Panama Canal, and the DoD is dead serious about taking Greenland and maintaining complete hemispheric control.

With whatever energy the US has left, it will dedicate to Asia. It will strengthen alliances and project power there instead of dealing with Europe.

The world is going to be a much more violent place without hegemony. Free trade doesn't exist in that type of world. The US realizes this and is playing 50 years ahead. None of the nice words matter when the energy, trade, and economic lines are redrawn.

People like to say the US is led by lawyers and China is led by scientists and engineers. This is wrong. The US is led by war generals and intelligence. The career DoD folks are the ones impressing upon the administration to make these moves.

To be clear: I hate this. I loved the world I grew up in. I think we're headed for a violent world that could easily erupt into war. I don't like it.



>The EU decided to play the US and China against each other to improve its own standing, which is why the US is now moving away from the EU.

How so? What actions did the EU take?

You don't think the declaration of himself as dictator and the immediate threats against EU allies might have changed EU attitudes at all?


> Biden tried diplomacy with the EU. He tried to get them to agree to a renewed US-led world order, but it wasn't working.

Can you elaborate on that? It seems to me it "wasn't working" mostly in the sense that Trump got elected again.

> The EU decided to play the US and China against each other to improve its own standing, which is why the US is now moving away from the EU.

Seems like confusing cause and effect. The EU is drifting away from the US towards China because the US pushed them away.

> The world is going to be a much more violent place without hegemony. Free trade doesn't exist in that type of world. The US realizes this and is playing 50 years ahead. None of the nice words matter when the energy, trade, and economic lines are redrawn.

This is happening largely because of the US, although they stand to lose by replacing a world order that benefits them with a world order that benefits China and Russia. Well maybe the US will become sufficiently like China and Russia that they can benefit too. But even with a gradual loss of hegemony there was nothing inevitable about a transition to the law of the jungle and it's doubtful that the net result will be positive for the US.

> People like to say the US is led by lawyers and China is led by scientists and engineers. This is wrong. The US is led by war generals and intelligence.

I think the relevant distinction is that the US is democratic while China is authoritarian. But the current US government wants to be authoritarian.

> The career DoD folks are the ones impressing upon the administration to make these moves.

Again a reversal of cause and effect? I doubt old career DoD folks like the current developments. But the current government might give a bigger role to the war generals.


> I think the US could seriously pull out of NATO and leave the EU to fend off Russia by itself. It'll have to start spending enormous tax dollars on defense and war.

Disagree. If US pulls out of NATO, most likely scenario is EU continue to concede to Russia. I think EU will concede on Greenland too, but likely won't do it without any military action (unclear whether that will trigger nuclear escalation and how that can end).


> The EU decided to play the US and China against each other to improve its own standing, which is why the US is now moving away from the EU.

This is sanewashig this whole thing. The fact is, the US is moving away from the EU because Trump doesn't like democracies. It's that simple. You have a large percentage of your population in what is essentially a cult and you have givem them the reigns.


> This is sanewashig this whole thing.

This was being called back during the Biden admin and before Trump even ran again.

Back during the Obama admin, even!

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/no-piv...

https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/us-pivot-asia/

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/europe-biggest-...

If the US can't build strong coalitions with Europe, it wants to spend its energy elsewhere.

Even pop-geopolitik wonk Peter Zeihan was pointing this out during Covid. I can't find his videos, but this has been top of mind for a lot of people for a very long time. These are anti-Trump people, too.

Multipolarity means instability, violence, fights over resources, fights over trade. Post-WWII was unusually (relatively) stable.

The US can turtle up, just like it did before WWII. It doesn't share a land border with any other major powers, unlike European and Asian countries. It commands the two oceans on its sides (and soon Arctic), and doesn't need anyone else - this was the US' defense posture since its founding.


You’re right. It was in the book Disunited Nations by Zeihan.


Honestly, the idea of Trump making geopolitically informed decisions is so out of the realm of my perception of reality I don't even know how to engage with you. Trump is a narcissistic idiot that you voted into power. Your geopolitical direction is dictated by his narcissistic whims. "National security reasons Greenland" or "EU collaboration with China" or whatever is exactly what I initially said - sane washing a lunatic.

But, anyway, good luck. You'll need it.


I have a great interest in geopolitics. I didn't vote for Trump, and I already told you this is coming from within the DoD.

These are military decisions. These are 50-year plans.

Here I was 10 months ago and two years ago saying the same thing:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43505524

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36896699


I am not saying you're stupid or misinformed, I'm saying you're missing the point. Understanding what Trump wants doesn't require you to understand geopolitics, it requires you know clinical psychiatry.


Trump doesn't want this. He didn't come up with the idea.

Trump was told and encouraged to want this by the little birdies at the DoD.


What do you expect (e.g.) Norway to do except disentangle, when their PM sends this text and gets back this response? And note that Finland's president (Alex there) has been one of the big proponents of continuing to engage with Trump. So, honest question, what should Finland, Norway, etc, do?

https://archive.ph/rjEtm


Trump absolutely drives this. You're deluded if you think this whole thing comes from the DOD. He is in effect a king at this point and he rules by posting in social media.


Except all of that will be for naught because the US is making the fatal mistake of doubling down on oil and coal. It's pointless to play 50 years ahead if you won't make it even the next 20.




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