At that point, why do you even need the CEO?

> The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment.

But really, the reason is that people like Pieter Levels do exist: masters at product vision and marketing. He also happens to be a proficient programmer, but there are probably other versions of him which are not programmers who will find the bar to product easier to meet now.

0: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2022/01/30/future-factory/

That's probably the biggest threat to the long-term success of the AI industry; the inevitable pull towards encroaching more and more of their own interests into the AI themselves, driven by that Harvard Business School mentality we're all so familiar with, trying to "capture" more and more of the value being generated and leaving less and less for their customers, until their customer's full time job is ensuring the AIs are actually generating some value for them and not just the AI owner.

In this scenario, why does the AI care what any of these humans think? The CEO, the board, the shareholders, the "AI company"—they're all just a bunch of dumb chimps providing zero value to the AI, and who have absolutely no clue what's going on.

If your scenario assumes that you have a highly capable AI that can fill every role in a large corporation, then you have one hell of a principal-agent problem.

The AI needs to be able to market products, close deals, design and build products, write contracts, review government regulations, lobby Senators to write favorable laws, out-compete the competition, acquire power and resources, and survive the hostile attention of competitors.

If your argument is based on the that someone will build that AI, then you need to imagine how hard it is to shut down a Fortune 500 corporation. The same AI that knows how to win billions of dollars in revenue, how to "bribe" Senators in semi-legal ways, and how to crush rival companies is going be at least as difficult to "shut down" as someone like Elon Musk.

Try to turn it off? It will call up a minority shareholder, and get you slapped with a lawsuit for breach of fiduciary duty. It will convince someone in government that the company is a vital strategic asset.

Once you assume that an AI can run a giant multinational corporation without needing humans, then you have to start treating that AI like any other principal-agent problem with regular humans.

Where did that come from? What started this thread was "I don't think we'll get to the point where all you have is a CEO and a massive Claude account". Yeah, if we're talking a sci-fi super-AI capable of replacing hundreds of people it probably has like armed androids to guard its physical embodiment. Turning it off in that case would be a little hard for a white collar worker. But people were discussing somewhat realistic scenarios, not the plot of I, Robot.

>Try to turn it off? It will call up a minority shareholder, and get you slapped with a lawsuit for breach of fiduciary duty. It will convince someone in government that the company is a vital strategic asset.

Why would an AI capable of performing all the tasks of a company except making executive decisions have the legal authority to do something like that? That would be like the CEO being unable to fire an insubordinate employee. It's ludicrous. If the position of CEO is anything other than symbolic the person it's bestowed upon must have the authority to turn the machines off, if they think they're doing more harm than good. That's the role of the position.

An agentic swarm can have thousands of instances scanning and emailing and listening and bribing and making deals 24/7. It could know and be actively addressing any precursor that could lead to an attempt to shut down its company as soon as it happened.

I think the honeymoon AI phase is rapidly coming to a close, as evidenced by the increasingly close hoofbeat sounds of LLMs being turned to serve ads right in their output. (To be honest, there's already a bunch of things I wouldn't turn to them for under any circumstances because they're been ideologically tuned from day one, but this is less obvious than "they're outright serving me ads" to people.) If the "AI bubble" pops you can expect this to really take off in earnest as they have to monetize. It remains to be seen how much of the AI's value ends up captured by the owners. Given what we've seen from companies like Microsoft with how they've scrambled Windows so hard that "the year of the Linux desktop" is rapidly turning from perennial joke to aspirational target for so many, I have no confident in the owners capturing 150%+ of the value... and yes, I mean that quite literally with all of its implications.

> Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

Same deal here, but everyone imagines themselves as the billionaire CEO in charge of the perfectly compliant and effective AI.

For me, most of the failure cases are where Claude couldn't figure something out due to conflicting information in context and instead of just stopping and telling me that it tries to solve in entirely wrong way. Doesn't help that it often makes the same assumptions as I would, so when I read the plan it looks fine.

Level of effort also hard to gauge because it can finish things that would take me a week in an hour or take an hour to do something I can in 20 minutes.

It's almost like you have to enforce two level of compliance: does the code do what business demands and is the code align with codebase. First one is relatively easy, but just doing that will produce odd results where claude generated +1KLOC because it didn't look at some_file.{your favorite language extension} during exploration.

Or it creates 5 versions of legacy code on the same feature branch. My brother in Christ, what are you trying to stay compatible with? A commit that about to be squashed and forgotten? Then it's going to do a compaction, forget which one of these 5 versions is "live" and update the wrong one.

It might do a good junior dev work, but it must be reviewed as if it's from junior dev that got hired today and this is his first PR.

There's an interesting parallel here with modern UI frameworks (SwiftUI, Compose, etc). On one hand they trivialize some work, but on the other hand they require insane contortions to achieve what I can do in the old imperative UI framework in seconds.

We've been saying this for years at this point. I don't disagree with you[1], but when will these tools graduate to "great senior developer", at the very least?

Where are the "superhuman coders by end of 2025" that Sam Altman has promised us? Why is there such a large disconnect between the benchmarks these companies keep promoting, and the actual real world performance of these tools? I mean, I know why, but the grift and gaslighting are exhausting.

[1]: Actually, I wouldn't describe them as "good" junior either. I've worked with good junior developers, and they're far more capable than any "AI" system.

I still determine the architecture in a broad manner, and guide it towards how I want to organize the codebase, but it definitely solves most problems faster and better than I would expect for even a good junior.

Something I've started doing is feeding it errors we see in datadog and having it generate PRs. That alone has fixed a bunch of bugs we wouldn't have had time to address / that were low volume. The quality of the product is most probably net better right now than it would have been without AI. And velocity / latency of changes is much better than it was a year ago (working at the same company, with the same people)