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Are you suggesting this software will somehow be able to make a phone explode? The pagers weren't just normal pagers with malware, I'm pretty sure they were loaded with actual explosives.




I added more context above to clarify the point I was making (which I thought would be self-evident, but I guess it was a bit more obscure than I thought)

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> spicy pagers

what a disturbing infantilization


> what a disturbing infantilization

Would you prefer it be called Operation Grim Beeper?


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If you define "casualty" as suffering some ear pain or a minor scratch, then sure.

> 2. The vast majority of casualties were not mythical "terrorists", they were ordinary pedestrians.

This is simply false, virtually every single spicy pager casualty was part of a terrorist organization.

> 3. Regardless this is still considered a war crime, and is by definition a terrorist act because it was not targeted. When they launched the attack they had no knowledge of where each pager was.

It was highly targeted in reality, spicy pagers were sold exclusively to the terrorist organizations for use on the terrorists communication network. It's arguably one of the most highly targeted attacks in history in terms of enemy to civilian casualty ratios.


GP self-describes as "Cofounder of Tech for Palestine", so making that sort of mental association is not unexpected.

It's a pretty well established phenomenon and he cites israeli leaders. no need for ad-hominem attacks. What's your argument for allowing spyware?

he cited a single Israeli private citizen. not Israeli leaders.

The fact that a data-harvesting bloatware is installed on common handsets should be controversial enough.

Both the title of this post and the link try to add "Israel is baaaad" angle as just because a company was founded in Israel.

Israel is a middle-eastern tech hub that produces a lot of tech companies and innovations. Its just a numbers game that some of them will be working on things of questionable value to humanity.

What GP suggesting is discriminating against all technologies developed by Israel because of his political views, nothing more.


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Your claim has nothing to do with the parent claim. Truthful or not, you can't write an article, have it debunked or disputed and then move onto another argument.

Yes, software was involved in the pager attacks, and software can be used to overheat and cause malfunction(which in the case of lithium ion can cause explosions, hazardous gases, and fire). Another example of a software-based attack that damages hardware is Stuxnet(there were no explosives either as part of this attack).

Downvoting facts? You might not be thinking about this topic rationally.

well, your facts are wrong, because there were in fact explosives planted in there [1]

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Lebanon_electronic_device...




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