Literal cultural suicide.

It's the same "but think of the children and their safety" kind of thing.

Well you do have to think about children and their safety, for example you don't want to expose them to drugs, I hope that much sense is still there.

It's never about children safety, it's about installing a totalitarian regime using children safety as an excuse to silence the opposition.

No, that sense is not there, because we don't have any "no drugs for children" laws. Those don't exist - drugs are illegal across the board, unless they're prescribed, but prescription drugs are good for kids.

The closest thing we have is tobacco and alcohol. But that's still very far off.

Its true children can't buy alcohol, but they can't buy Internet access either. But, they can drink alcohol, and they can view the internet.

There's nothing stopping a parent from just giving little Timmy wine. All bets are off once you show ID at the corner store and go home.

Similarly, all bets are off after you show ID and proof of residence to your Teleco and they install Internet connection. ... Until now.

This is an entirely novel and never before seen type of law and type of reasoning. It may seem, on the surface, reasonable or done before. But if you think about it, it's not.

This isn't your typical brand of "think of the children".

> The closest thing we have is tobacco and alcohol. But that's still very far off.

Those are not far off, they are harmful drugs as well (despite being somewhat normalised).

The goal is not about stopping parent from giving child something, the goal is to minimise exposure and ability to get access to it as much as possible.

> Those are not far off, they are harmful drugs as well (despite being somewhat normalised).

They are extremely far off, and you chose to ignore why.

Its not because of harm or normalization. Its because what people are proposing here is fundamentally different than ID checking for cigs.

If I buy a pack, I can go home and immediately give them to a kid. If I wanted.

The store clerk does not follow me home. The ID checking happened at point of sale, and after that, all bets are off.

We actually already have this type of ID checking in place for the internet and have since the beginning.

To buy Internet, I must present ID and proof of residence. Once the internet is sold to me, all bets are off. It is my responsibility to not give it to my kid, in the same way it's my responsibility to put the vodka in the locked liquor cabinet.

What you're proposing is the equivalent of the store clerk following you home and staying in your house, watching you smoke the cigarettes to make sure you don't give it to any children.

The difference is that parents, rightfully, don't give out cigs like candy. But they DO give out internet access like candy.

That's because parents are stupid, not because the laws are broken. We don't extreme privacy violations, we just need people to get their head out of their ass.

And, anyone who claims kids need an Internet connection is lying through their teeth. No, they don't. For anything. I promise. No exceptions.

Oh oh but what about homework???.

Put a goddamn computer in your living room like it's 1997, don't tell your spoiled brat the internet password, and problem solved. Its that easy. No 1984 required.

Oh oh but what about phones??? Little Timmy is gonna die on the 14 second walk from the bus to my front door!!

Go to Walmart, but a prepaid cricket phone, and give it to them. There, I solved your problem and saved you 900 dollars.