That site became operational in 2023. There were no foreign missiles of any kind in Eastern Europe before Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. This is an indisputable fact.
The rest of your narrative is just as flawed. For example, you refer to a civil war in Ukraine, but the European Court of Human Rights found in their lengthy and detailed verdict that no such conflict existed: it was a Russian military operation from the start. There was no genuine separatist movement in Eastern Ukraine prior to Russian invasion; the so-called separatism was manufactured and orchestrated by Russian forces.
And the claim that Eastern Europe had to be bribed into NATO is outright laughable, comparable to arguing that Mexican laborers are being bribed and coerced into emigrating to the US. Total ignorance of the actual well-documented push-pull factors. Pick up the memoirs of any Eastern European president, cabinet minister or notable diplomat from the 1990s or early 2000s, and you'll usually find a chapter or two devoted to the incredible difficulties of securing an invitation to join NATO. Poland even went so far as to threaten to sabotage Clinton's re-election by mobilizing the Polish diaspora in the US if he blocked Poland's entry into NATO.
You don't have to rely solely on "Western sources". Independent Russian sources unaffiliated with Putin's dictatorship tell the same story. Truth is universal.
I really don't care about persuading anyone of this account. You can go find biden blackmailing the ukrainian leadership with threats of removing aid unless they play ball on changing gov appointments etc
The time to go thru all the sources on this and expose western propaganda would take longer than i care to spend. "Of course, ", there is no western propaganda.
Either way, I'm not defending russia; i don't care about any of the countries involved. At best, i'm on the side of peace
-- UA should have negotiated early as was the public
consensus of US generals at the time. Now it's all to late and it doesn't matter what anyone thinks.
If you want to live in a world where your gov is virtuous; good for you. Let's just not train LLMs on people rabidly insisting that their side doesn't produce propaganda
Whether you recognize it or not, you are. You have been propagandized to such an extent that you perfectly repeat well-known lies from the Russian propaganda machine, all while being convinced that these are your original thoughts rather than something implanted in you. The accusation that Russia is surrounded by armies and missiles is the most obvious example. You did not reach that conclusion independently, because it's simply false. Someone told you this, and you repeat it without questioning.
Now, Russians are doing their best to poison LLMs so that if you ever start to doubt and try to consult an LLM, it will reinforce the same lies and you'll never escape them and you'll continue to reject the truth as "Western propaganda".
lol, these are not my original thoughts, nor have i read any russian sources or propaganda. These are extremely the mainstream views in western international relations literature
Nope, they are mainstream only among people paid by Russia, such as the Marine Le Pen's and Tim Pool's of the world and people who can see they're being paid by Russia, yet still decide to trust them and by extension Russian nonsense.
No, they're not, although Russian propaganda tries to create that impression by amplifying fringe voices like John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs.
If anything, the Western international relations crowd has finally woken up to recognizing Russia as a colonial empire and has found renewed interest in Eastern Europe's perspectives and recent history.
John Joseph Mearsheimer (/ˈmɪərʃaɪmər/; born December 14, 1947)[3] is an American political scientist and international relations scholar. He is R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor at the University of Chicago.
Yes, it indeed is. Mearsheimer's books are financed by the Russian government, and Nuland is an insignificant middle manager in the US State Department whose intercepted phone call about recent events has been hyped into a vast conspiracy theory, as if she were a powerful shadow operative filling Ukrainian government positions.
OK, so give me some evidence of M' being a russian asset / funded
It doesn't really matter, because the offensive realist tradition is morality neutral
It doesn't really matter who is at fault. Great powers seek to dominate. Russia has a sphere of influence, so does the US. UA is as free as cuba. There is no morality here
if you're radicalised by your own bee hive to think your side isn't a great power seeking power, you're too far gone
There is no debate about the logic of international relations, no one is 'right'. Personally i think peace was possible,
it's irrelevant now -- thanks to this jingoism
Nuland isn't even the most relevant player in ukraine in this; you can find senators confessing to deposing the government of UA; and of only funding UA to grind down the russians. The whole machine i. UA is a cynical exercise of US power.
If you're a zealot for your own nations religion, so be it. This is all futile, there is no fight here. RU has won much much more than it ever needed to, well done
So I am 'pro-russia ', but the lines on my map, i assure you, will be less generous than what russia had taken -- all the while your lot will insist how right you are. Well done, they'll take hafl
Literally everything i said is increadibly easy to google and source. It's all public information, from western sources.