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The thread was about the work force and in Denmark the vast majority of migrants work. Go look it up on any statistics site, I certainly did but I'm not going to provide you with the link. It's very easy to look up. The Danish government publishes this information.

Industrialized countries unable to accommodate and become appealing to a sufficient yearly inflow of migrants to rejuvenate the work force are doomed. The population statistics are crystal clear about that. That's just how it is. Those countries could have changed their pension systems 30 years ago to avoid this problem but didn't.

Other than that, I don't care what you personally mean by "...are positive" about a whole group of people. Making such statements about hundreds of thousands to millions of people is an obviously gross generalization and not at a level worth discussing.



The problem is, policies are about generalisation. Otherwise we couldn't make any laws at all. It's not realistic to evaluate person-by-person millions of people either. Especially when you take into account that 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants are usually more problematic than parents who actually did immigrate.

„Work“ is not always beneficial-to-society work. Especially if you have a good safety net. Even in my country break-even to pay more in taxes than you get back is above minimum wage. I'd expect it even higher in Denmark.

I don't know which are more doomed. Countries who don't „accomodate“ immigrants, or countries who let them in and fail into assimilate.


Policies should be based on proper statistical evidence. That's exactly the point.

> countries who let them in and fail into assimilate

There is no meaningful definition of "assimilate" in this context, at least not one that would be desirable. Immigrants have to follow the law like citizens and need to pass a language test. That's it. Anything beyond and above that is personal conjecture of the people who demand it, as there is no broad common denominator between the born citizens of a country either. You shouldn't demand of others what you cannot achieve within your own citizens (neither would any homogeneity be desirable and healthy for a country, but that's another matter).


Why not desirable? It'd be very desirable for immigrants to adjust to local society. If people are not willing to integrate and assimilate their kids into host society, they should not come.

We should not see people as economic unit who just produce value. People and society in general is much more complex system.

One common denominator in vast majority of europe is not being a muslim. And many of issues with immigration does raise from this fundamental difference. And I'm not saying to not let in any people from muslim countries. But they should denounce their religion the moment they get work permit. And don't raise their kids accordingly.




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