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Have you been following along? They're deporting the brown people and to hell with the economy.

I'm not sure what abuses you're talking about but this is a country where black people were being lynched within living memory. There's long been a fascist undercurrent in the United States and it's finally bubbling to the top. There is still widespread support for what is happening after everything we've seen and there are even supposedly educated and well-off people in this very thread defending it.

Blaming it on the left is a total cop out at this point.


At risk of speaking too much for someone else: They are not blaming the left, they're blaming the democrat party -- and are far from assigning them total blame imo.


At the risk of getting lost in the bushes before GP themselves can respond, I'm not sure that's a reasonable defence. First of all it's a two party system, so the left and the party of the left are essentially interchangeable. They said that "the only reason" he won is because of this "abuse" from both parties. Indeed there's no suggestion that the democrats are taking all or most of the blame there, but my response was only on the basis that they were being blamed at all, which they were. I'm not sure there's anything that justifies the behaviour we're seeing, to me it seems unreasonable to expect one party to change their ways from relatively moderate politics because the other side, so to speak, will otherwise threaten to dismantle the democratic functioning of the state.


The Democrat party is indeed incompetent, but GP's reasoning is part of why we've ended up with Trump again. The Democrats and Republicans are not the same, and if drastic change is needed, I know which party will be easier to change. As if inventing independent parties solves any problems. Don't pick sides; do the right thing, and the people who agree with you will be on your side.




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